Abs or not?

[s1h]

I've been riding bikes on and off for years but now looking at a new bike. I've seen one I like er6 near me but it has abs.

What are people's thoughts on this? I'm perfectly capable of stopping on a bike without it and have never ridden ne with it. Will it take any fun out of riding? Or does it really only make a difference in emergency braking situations.

[Easter Bunny]

It wont take any fun out of riding, I think I fully used the ABS probably twice (in as much as it would have probably locked up in the enthusiasm to stop in these two instances) when I had it on my last bike, a good feature if you ride all year round.
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[s1h]

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[Englishman]

I think I've posted this before and apologies for those that have already seen it. This really helped me to make my mind up about having ABS on my first bike. It has only come on noticably once, when I misjudged the lights changing and decided at the last second (in the wet) that I wouldn't make it through on amber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ_UkAFW6cA
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[Billo63]

Can't comment as I've yet to own or even ride a bike fitted with abs, but having watched that vid it is something that has now made me think seriously when choosing next bike after the new year.

Cheers.
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[s1h]

Good video that.

I think the best thing is to maybe try one with and one without.

[Skudd]

I have an ABS bike, there is no difference when riding, even when you are giving it loads. It does make that difference in that millisecond just before you would have lost the front the ABS says "hello" and you think "That was close". It has helped me in the wet and on some black ice a few times, it isn't perfect and wont get you out of every incident, no system will, but I'm glad that I have it.
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[Skudd]

Here is the MCN test, ABS , a bit more real and shows that people can get to close to ABS stopping distances, but it takes a lot of skill and practice at stopping in emergency conditions.
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[goto10]

Given the option, I'd choose it every time.
In everyday situations I wouldn't lock up (in the rain) but occasionally something exceptional happens and I want to stop as-fast-as-fucking-possible, you've only got one attempt to stop so I know I wouldn't get the chance to try and match an ABS system.
I don't understand the 'enjoyment' argument, in the dry the system never interferes - I've only felt my current system kick in once (in the wet), and I was thankful for it.
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[Dave70]

Some useful info in this thread.

I too have been wondering whether to get as fitted for my first big bike (possibly an R6) although I know some people, who are more experienced than I am, are pretty much against them, especially on a supersports bike.

The reason why I was pondering getting them fitted was because I have been in a situation were I needed to perform a very sudden emergency stop on my r125 when a van pulled out and stopped side on a few yards infront of me and I lost the front in a similar fashion to the guy in the first clip posted. Needless to Say I ended up sliding underneath the van and I think that having ABS fitted would help avoid a situation like that again.

Now I know that riders out there who have a lot more experience than me, would be able to perform an emergency brake better than I currently can anyway and I know that I hit the brakes too hard but, when you're faced with something like the side of a van suddenly appearing across the road blocking your path yards in front of you, it's difficult to remain calm and avoid hitting the brakes too hard.

So I think that I would personally still go ahead and get them fitted as shit happens and ABS just might help you to get out of it and I think that with the amount of loonies on the road these days, us bikers should take all the help we can get.

[Dave70]

Some useful info in this thread.

I too have been wondering whether to get as fitted for my first big bike (possibly an R6) although I know some people, who are more experienced than I am, are pretty much against them, especially on a supersports bike.

The reason why I was pondering getting them fitted was because I have been in a situation were I needed to perform a very sudden emergency stop on my r125 when a van pulled out and stopped side on a few yards infront of me and I lost the front in a similar fashion to the guy in the first clip posted. Needless to Say I ended up sliding underneath the van and I think that having ABS fitted would help avoid a situation like that again.

Now I know that riders out there who have a lot more experience than me, would be able to perform an emergency brake better than I currently can anyway and I know that I hit the brakes too hard but, when you're faced with something like the side of a van suddenly appearing across the road blocking your path yards in front of you, it's difficult to remain calm and avoid hitting the brakes too hard.

So I think that I would personally still go ahead and get them fitted as shit happens and ABS just might help you to get out of it and I think that with the amount of loonies on the road these days, us bikers should take all the help we can get.

[Skudd]

Those who are against ABS are those who either have an Ego the size of a Hospital and think they can beat it or those who only remember the early systems that were.......... well early systems and did have faults.

Now it is just a no brainer, if you can afford it and it is an option for you, take it.
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[s1h]

Sounds like it is a no brainer. I didn't really know a lot about it but after a bit of reading on here and elsewhere today i reckon I'm sold.

My worry was that it would have an affect n day to day riding, from what I can see it doesn't affect that at all and only activated in emergency braking situations which can only be a good thing

[mysterious_rider]

Nah something else to go wrong.

[MCW]

Most definitely! (Or did I read the thread subject wrong....?)

https://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q709/MCW999/-six-pack-abs-_zpsd055de77.jpg

[U_W v2.0]

that youtube video is awesome, hella brave of the rider though.
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[barrkel]

I wouldn't buy another bike from new without ABS.

My scooter has ABS, but my ER6 doesn't. The only time I ride the ER6 in rain is when I'm touring, usually in a foreign country, where I'm not being too aggressive in urban situations anyway. The SH300, on the other hand, I ride every day, rain or shine, and sometimes even in the snow. It spends most of its time in the city, where there is substantially more oil and diesel on the ground, and traction is a lot worse in the rain than it is on faster roads in the countryside.

I've come up to junctions past queuing cars where a car pulls out suddenly, and on the SH300 in the wet, "locked up" both wheels - but owing to ABS, it turned into a steerable sideways drift. Cars have pulled out on me even in the dry and I've braked hard enough for the ABS to kick in, but still giving me enough control to swerve and avoid at the same time.

People who spend a lot of time off-road may have a good argument against ABS. On the road, in bad weather, I don't think there are good arguments against it.

In a panic braking scenario on uncertain grip, without ABS, you'll almost certainly under-brake to begin with as you wait for the load to shift to the front before more fully applying the brakes. With ABS, the tech does the analysis with more reliability and repeatability than you can.

Strong vote for ABS here. I'd pay up to 20% of the cost of the vehicle to ensure it's present. I'd only tolerate its absence in a bike that only goes out in fair weather.
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[thepuma]

Interesting this should come up cos I was going to ask the same question. Have been looking at CBR250s and some come with abs and was wondering if its worth it....that YouTube video has made my mind up.
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[barrkel]

[defblade]

My Bandit's got ABS.

I do my best to look ahead and anticipate problems and maybe get off the throttle from time to time, keep the 2 second rule, and so far I'm not aware I've ever triggered it. I take the car when it's icy.

But it's not eating or drinking (although it is an extra pain in the arse getting the rear wheel in and out due to the sensor) and one day.... one day.... I just might be glad of it.

I didn't go out looking to buy a bike with ABS - I just found a bike I liked; it had ABS on it. If i was buying new, I'd probably pay extra for it as I think more and more people will be looking for it on 2nd hand bikes, so would hopefully keep the value of mine up.
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[Nexus Icon]

My car doesn't have ABS and I could have used it a month ago when I came round a blind bend in a NSL country lane and found a car parked right after the bend. Much squealing ensued before I hit her arse.

I almost steered past her but didn't quite have enough traction to make the turn due to my foot being mashed into the carpet under the brake pedal. I'm afraid that modulating the brake pedal in a high-stress, panic-braking situation is beyond most of us mere mortals.
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[Rogerborg]

Rely on ABS to save me? Why, that's the last thing I'd ever do.
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