Some people are just muppets

[Darth-Simba]

Was walking to my mums house from the bus stop the other day, when I came across a scooter on its side on the pavement, about 6 or so people standing around. Then I seen the poor chap on the wet floor at the side of the road with a guy holding his head.

Now the muppet part, they removed his god damn helmet before an ambulance arrived. What if he had a serious neck or spine injury. Also before anyone says, I asked if anyone was a doctor or a paramedic and nobody around was, I am a fully qualified first aider and I would never remove their helmet, leave that to the professionals.

[U_W v2.0]

its not so much that people are muppets, its more that people just dont have the awareness or common sense to think "motorcyclist down, possible neck/spike/head injuries, do not remove helmet"

was the guy alright though?
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[_Troy_]

He may well have asked them to remove it.

But most people wouldn't think it to be a problem anyway.
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[U_W v2.0]

perhaps we should all ride around with "unless qualified medical expert, do not remove helmet" stickers on the tops of our lids.

could save someone a lifetime of paralysis.

https://www.redrockdecals.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/fefd73add5c3f1c8670a65ce1314fb9c/1/4/14004_incaseofaccident.jpg

https://www.stickerscheap.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/2acbc27afaa8c86fd723e1d3ed4ffc42/1/4/14003-ap_donotremovehelmet_1.jpg
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[Flatbadger]

Good idea, jewish babies should have those - just in case!

Maybe a good old Public info film or two would increase awareness, ala think bike.
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[U_W v2.0]

that is true, i mean you can youtube loads of public info ads from back around the 70/80's or what ever, something about bikers + accidents would reach a good number of people and even a radio ad.

i will point out, the downside to those stickers is if you need CPR and the person who found you doesnt perform CPR due to the sticker on your lid.
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[Rogue_Shadow]

I'd like to think I would insist the rider keep his helmet on.
But after a accident, I imagine the rider would be quite agitated and would be wanting to take the helmet off themselves.
With adrenaline pumping, they may also not feel any neck or back pain immediately. Would be interesting to know how paramedics determine when it is safe to remove a helmet

[Darth-Simba]

[Darth-Simba]

[U_W v2.0]

lets hope he recovers and doesnt have any lasting affects then.

fair enough if you couldnt do anything. personally, as i have said before, i keep up to date with first aid so, brakes, burns, lacerations, CPR, risk assessment and safety. you know, the usual list of things your likely to encounter in public. we may never need all of that, but i'd certainly feel more comfortable on the roads knowing more people were trained up lol.

again, hope the guys alright and unless he was like "helmet, off" *pases out* then they really should not have removed the helmet.


as for EMT's checking if its safe to remove the helmet

they will feel around the neck and if possible spine or breaks, painful areas, check the pupils for responce, check for double vision, the usual head injury checks basically, if they cannot feel any misalignment of the neck/spine they will reluctantly remove the helmet. however most EMT's *SHOULD* prefur to get the individual onto a spine board with the helmet on and let the hospital either remove it normally or cut it off. but they are allowed to make that judgement call on the scene of the accident.
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[sidewinder]

Exactly the reason im doing this.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=257060

Already qualified in first aid but learning more is a good thing
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[U_W v2.0]

agreed sidewinder, i checked into that myself but i missed my local one by a day. typical really. i really enjoy first aid courses and learning how you can potentially save someones life.
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[Rogue_Shadow]

Might be of use

[Charlie]

If you can 100% see that they are breathing then it's best to keep the helmet on. However if you're unsure if they are breathing or having breathing difficulties then I'd say it is wise to take the helmet off. No point stopping someone getting paralysed if they then die from asphyxiation.
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[Flatbadger]

Another plus for a flip-up fronted helmet..

If a responder looks attractive, I might pretend to be not breathing
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[Rogerborg]

[Darth-Simba]

[U_W v2.0]

why would a first aider have removed his helmet and been sitting with his head on his knees?

not digging but a first aider should know better than his. if you see the aider around, might want to mention it to them
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[Rogerborg]

[Darth-Simba]

[Dave70]

There's certainly a lot to be said about educating people with regards of what not to do in these sort of circumstances.

When I was knocked for six by a van last month, I was on the deck somewhat concussed and with severe back pain , when 3 blokes who had witnessed what happened came to my aid and one of the first things they did was attempt to help me to my feet by hooking me under my arms. I know they did this with the best of intentions but thankfully, I still had the presence of mind to politely tell them to back off until I had assessed myself before attempting to move.

Unfortunately, most peoples first instinct is to do something to help and without the knowledge of what is the correct thing to do, this can prove very dangerous.

I do think some sort of public awareness campaign would be of benefit.

[Tomzo47]

Does anyone know where to get a small sticker to put on your helmet saying that?
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[Flatbadger]

Here's a page from one of the sites the above stickers are from -

https://www.stickerscheap.com/motorcycles

Prices are in Euros, they're in Estonia but postage won't be much of course. The ones with the blood group's likely the best to go for.

I may get one myself.
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