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PostPosted: 17:12 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: car insurance. Reply with quote

alright, so my partner wants to get a car. but the insurance would be off the scale.

is it legal to do get a car, put it in my name, i take out an insurance policy and add his as a named driver?

he'd have his full licence (only just) and i'd have my full motorcycle license.

what would be the complications of doing this?
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is called fronting and it is illegal although loads of people do it........
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would yours be any cheaper if you don't have a car license?!

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PostPosted: 17:17 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
Why would yours be any cheaper if you don't have a car license?!

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honestly i dont know why it is but it is cheaper for me.

probably due to partner being 22 and me 26.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what do you put in when it asks amount of time license held?
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He would be considered the main (only Laughing ) driver as you don't have a licence, therefore they'd rate the policy on him rather than you anyway and, therefore, it shouldn't be any cheaper.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago fronting used to make your insurance well cheap, i did it till i was 21.

But they seemed to have cottoned onto it now and doesnt make alot of difference.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

makes a huge difference for me. i've been looking at cars for my 17 year old brother.

for him to insure a mk2 polo on his own, it was over £4900.

in my name with him as a named driver, £480
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocatoro wrote:
for him to insure a mk2 polo on his own, it was over £4900.


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PostPosted: 18:08 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As its been said, its 'fronting' which is illegal, and easy to find out at the roadside.

Not only could his insurance be cancelled (then has to declare that he has had insurance cancelled, putting future premiums up), but you and your partner could end up in court on fraud charges (I guess it would be fraud, but not 100% sure, maybe wrong).

Plus, he won't be getting his own no claims bonus (although some allow named drivers to get them), so won't get the benefits of no claims bonus.

Have you tried looking at getting quotes with parents/older brothers/sisters as named drivers? Putting my parents on saves me £300 a year, despite the fact they'll never drive it.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claiming to be the main driver when you are not is fronting, which is illegal, and people have even gone to prison for it.

However if you "own" the car, but he is the main driver, it may bring down the costs a bit.

Another way would just be to add any older drivers onto the policy as named drivers.


I saved over 40% by adding both parents and an aunty as named drivers when I was 19/20/21/22. Now though adding one parent gets the maximum discount, any more doesn't save any money.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW,

My missus is getting her 1st car this week.
She is getting quotes direct from Admiral online and they are waaaaaaay cheaper than any comparison site.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFK wrote:
As its been said, its 'fronting' which is illegal, and easy to find out at the roadside.


I cant really see how this is easy to find out at the roadside.

I was pulled over a few times while fronting, even by traffic units and no eyelid was ever batted.

Its quite difficult to prove hence why so many people do it and get away with it, chances are getting caught are so low.

I thought car insurance was a piss take when i was young, now its ridiculous.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm have to look into the older family thing.

over 4k for a Ka takes the piss a bit lol
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait... Wtf? Your partner is a "He"? Shocked

Should I be surprised ? Looks like no one else is!
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

drzsta wrote:
Wait... Wtf? Your partner is a "He"? Shocked


Hello, and welcome to the 21st century.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

drzsta wrote:
Wait... Wtf? Your partner is a "He"? Shocked

Should I be surprised ? Looks like no one else is!


lol lets get these out of the way...

...any the penny drops
how long you been living under a rock?
wow you just realised?
how far behind are you?
seriously, this you pick up on?

i think those will do for now.

yes, he's a he and so am i, as said, welcome to 21st century.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flatbadger, i know right!! and thats with me, an older named driver on it. which i figure makes it cheaper, as me and the mrs naming eachother on our insurance makes it cheaper for us, and we're not even older than eachother. best part of 5 grand for a £300 classic car.


Wave2k wrote:
JFK wrote:
As its been said, its 'fronting' which is illegal, and easy to find out at the roadside.


I cant really see how this is easy to find out at the roadside.

I was pulled over a few times while fronting, even by traffic units and no eyelid was ever batted.

Its quite difficult to prove hence why so many people do it and get away with it, chances are getting caught are so low.

I thought car insurance was a piss take when i was young, now its ridiculous.


exactly right. the only thing they are able to ascertain is whether or not youre insured to drive the vehicle in some capacity.

how do you prove who's the "main driver"? without some mileage logging system like in an hgv, proving otherwise is impossible.

usually it's done by adults for their kids. the car is usually bought and owned by the parents. and could easily and very effectively be argued that the car was bought as a cheap runaround and shopping car to keep the mileage on their main car down, whilst also enabling junior to gain some road experience from time to time before purchasing his own car.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wave2k wrote:
JFK wrote:
As its been said, its 'fronting' which is illegal, and easy to find out at the roadside.


I cant really see how this is easy to find out at the roadside.

I was pulled over a few times while fronting, even by traffic units and no eyelid was ever batted.

Its quite difficult to prove hence why so many people do it and get away with it, chances are getting caught are so low.

I thought car insurance was a piss take when i was young, now its ridiculous.


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The concept of fronting really does confuse me Confused esepecially when it comes down to how they would prosecute for it.

Too much bs when it comes to cars, sticking to 2 wheels for a while longer yet.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I insure my car and add my parents to it.

It lowers some and increases others.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole fronting thing would be doubly dodgy in your circumstances, as in the event of a claim the insurer might ask for all paperwork, including your licence (as the 'main driver'). If you then can't produce one, they're going to conclude that a) you've been driving without a licence, breaking the terms of your insurance as well as the law, and/or b) that you're fronting. A few insurers ask for a photocopy of your licence anyway (Adrian Flux did when I had insurance with them a couple of years ago).

Therefore it's probably not a very wise thing to do.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Chris. wrote:
The whole fronting thing would be doubly dodgy in your circumstances, as in the event of a claim the insurer might ask for all paperwork, including your licence (as the 'main driver'). If you then can't produce one, they're going to conclude that a) you've been driving without a licence, breaking the terms of your insurance as well as the law, and/or b) that you're fronting. A few insurers ask for a photocopy of your licence anyway (Adrian Flux did when I had insurance with them a couple of years ago).

Therefore it's probably not a very wise thing to do.


Technically, if his partner's had his licence 3 years OP could be the main driver, as an accompanied learner. Provisional licence includes both bike and car entitlement, so the only other requirement is insurance and a supervising driver who has held their licence 3+ years and is over 21.

But that's not what they're doing, so they'd be fronting anyway. And I know he says his partner has only just passed, or will have done.
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PostPosted: 03:30 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
hmm have to look into the older family thing.

over 4k for a Ka takes the piss a bit lol


That is a lot cheaper than me 5.5k is the minimal for car insurance.. other types of vehicles think higher. No luck from me kit car insurance is supposed to be cheap or it was mentioned earlier.. might be worth a shot Question
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