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| furry-ninja |
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 Posted: 23:48 - 17 Oct 2012 Post subject: Is a 228kg GSX600F too much bike for a 65kg learner? |
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I have the opportunity to pick up one of these pretty cheaply but I'm wondering if it's going to be too heavy for me to handle?
It will be my first bike and it ticks a few boxes for the money but I'm a 10 1/2 stone-ish skinny bloke who hasn't been to the gym much in the past year and am a bit concerned about dropping it in the driveway or even worse at slow speed in town or parking or something?
What's the wisdom, am I being paranoid? |
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It's more about the experience and not strength I believe.
Depends how confident you feel about it.
Lots of riders drop a bike at some point. Just get crash pads. Safer for a bike and for your legs.
Imagine all this weight falling on your ankle. ____________________ MCForum meetup - One of the biggest motorcycle clubs in UK |
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It's a perfectly valid fear.
I dropped my instructor's CBF600 once, and couldn't pick it up on my own, someone else came and gave me a hand.
Then I saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPjYweKeiLk
And I keep that in mind for next time (hopefully there isn't going to be one  ____________________ First bike: CBF125, Feb. - Oct. 2012
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Not unless you were intending to bench press it  |
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I wouldn't touch one, mostly because I've dropped a Bandit 650SA. Way too much lard and seat width for stumpy Scotch pins. I could live with one, but I wouldn't want to.
You'll have to sit on one and see, but don't make the mistake of rocking it to the side to feel the weight or you'll be picking it up.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I dropped my GPZ500 on myself the other week (got off it forgetting to put side stand down)
I bought the bike in the full knowledge that there is no way that I would be able to pick this bike up.... or so I thought, but fear of my husband finding out that I'd been a knobhead and dropped it, gave me superhuman strength and I managed to pick it up.
The moral of this tale is don't worry about it, go out there and get a good sized bike, and if you drop it, just wait for help to come along, which it will eventually, or watch the Utube link and spare your blushes. ____________________ Motorcycling is not, of itself, inherently dangerous. It is, however, extremely unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, incompetence or stupidity.
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https://axa2006.com/motor/suzuki/1990_GSX600FL_red_450.jpg
Wouldn't be on my list of top ten newbie freindly bikes, but not because of the weight or balence, but becouse they are a four, they are full faired, and a bit... well?!?!?
Depends what age it is, too, but the early ones, were Suzuki's answer to the CBR600, with fully enclosed bodywork, which was even uglier than the honda's original jelly-mold effort, and they were built down to a price.
Been living in the bargain basement ever since, and few have escaped serious neglect or botchery to keep them running on the skint.
In decent nick, they are quite a nice bike to ride, but couple I rode I found rather err.... annoying. They are a small bike, and the seat 'dip' is pretty tight and doesn't give much room to move around, coupled with fairly low narrow bars, I felt squeezed into the thing, but I am a 6'2" neanderthal!
Tight geometry felt nervous, and slow maneuvering felt like severe lack of lock, motor was willing but rev hungry, urging you to thrash it to find the 'go', and it never felt well 'planted' on the road, but nimble enough in the twisties.
But frankly, there are MUCH better bikes out there for your money, I don't care how cheap the one you are looking at is, they are cheap bikes, and saving a couple of hundred on buy price is quickly made false economy by any of the full-price maladies that can strike the things (or any other old bike TBH!), from siezed brakes to worn out tyres to broken gearboxes.
I'd be steering you towards one of the twins; GPz500s probably being favourite. Much more newbie freindly, AND genuinely cheap to run, even if a tad more expensive to buy.
If you have to have a full-fat 600? Well, lot of other bikes out there that have a lot more merit than cheap buy price, with or without fairings, but not inclined to reccomend many for a newbie, especially on a budget.
Cheap bikes can get very expensive very quickly. 600's and sporty 600's, are quite demanding of maintenance and tyres, chains, sprockets, brake pads, spark plugs, they don't come cheap, £500 bike that needs some remedial maintenance before its next MOT can easily become a £1000 bike in a matter of weeks; especially if you need a new pair of tyres that are likely to set you back £150+ fitting.....
They were a useful sporty 'all-rounder' and good budget bike, but I reckon they are probably a decade past thier sell by date now. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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I'm a sub 10 stone 5ft 7" female who doesn't do gyms and is averagely feeble. Now bear that in mind when I tell you that I can can pick up my 280kg 1100 Shadow ACE.
I'm not freakishly strong - there's just a knack to it. Have a hunt on YouTube as there are a few very good vids that show you the technique, one of which featured a fairly small lass successfully picking up a Harley Road King (truly mahoosive cruiser).
As for the weight when actually riding it, it's like anything - you get used to it. Bendy's right in that its technique. The Shadow felt massive to begin with but I'm rapidly getting used to her and personally I feel much safer and more stable on her, but I appreciate that might be different for sports bikes. ____________________ Can sadly no longer be seen tearing up the road on my Honda Shadow 1100 ACE as she was stolen by thieving scum on 3/7/13.
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| RK_Craig wrote: | Mike, why are 4s bad for noobs? |
Refinement vs Rawness
Fours tend to be a lot smoother, and revier; they tend to 'feel' more lathargic lower down the revs by contrast to the pull they have in the mid-range and top end, encouraging more revs to be used, but with the smooth 'elastic' delivery not providing such sudden 'surge' not feeling so dramatic piling on a lot of speed very quickly.
A twin, is a lot more 'chuggy' low down, power delivery is harsher and towards the top end, they tend to get a bit asthmatic and vibratory.... you can get a sudden 'surge' of acceleration in the alledgedly 'strong' mid-range, bug again mostly a feeling from contrast between lumpy bottom and wheezy top! And can feel a lot 'stronger' because of how brief it is, and book-marked by lumpiness & wheeziness, its more dramatically emphasised when you get it.
Add water-cooling to a 'four' quietening it down even more, and usually coming with more highly tuned motor.... then wrap fairings round it, baffling even more noise, and reducing wind pressure and the feed-back that offers, you get even less sensation or feed-back..... informing your inexperienced rider whats going on.
For a newb, feed-back, pure seat of the pants 'rawness' is a useful tool for keeping check on what you are doing and giving 'sensation', which CAN actually translate as riding satisfaction, as well as newb-freindliness.
A four, that much more refined, doesn't offer so much 'sensation' to inform what you are doing... and more refined engines tend to be accompanied by more refined suspension and brakes etc etc etc..... and you can easily catch yourself unawares, and be in trouble before you realise it, simply because the bike isn't giving you so many 'clues' whats going on.
Give a newb rider a refined, sophisticated 'four', and lets pick something as newb-unfreindly and focused on fast as an R6.... does everything with little fuss, hassle effort or feed-back... for a newb rider, often the ONLY sensation they get, and even then a fairly mutes one is shear speed..... easy to believe that that is ALL a bike does, and the only sensation it can offer......
Give a Newb a GS500..... no where near as composed, lots or raw edges, and fast don't come easy; you get the wind in your face, you get the clatter of tappets, sqirming of suspension and the smell of hot brake pads...... you get a lot more 'sensation' from it, and when you get it KNOW you are trying a bit hard.... which can be fun. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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