|
|
| Author |
Message |
| fozzym |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 fozzym Brolly Dolly

Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 21:02 - 20 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
Lets face it riding a motorcycle is a minority pursuit. The population in general don't give a crap about the new laws.
Even the majority of the biking community don't give a toss because they already have a licence.
Basically you have a hand full (in the scheme of things) of pre test folks and a hand full of bikers getting their knickers in a twist but other than that no one gives a shit. Truth.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Flip |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 Flip Super Spammer

Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 21:28 - 20 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
I've had a full license for years and therefore couldn't care a monkeys about the people who haven't.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| fozzym |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 fozzym Brolly Dolly

Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Karma :  
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| crazymotorbik... |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 crazymotorbik... Nearly there...

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Karma :   
|
 Posted: 11:01 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
Hey,
Don't mean to sound selfish but i passed my full bike test a decade ago so couldn't give a flying crap.
Besides i think its a good idea Although it does step in front of Darwinism. We've all seen the 16/17/18 year olds riding there superpeds thinking there indestructible. Can they really be trusted to ride a 'proper' bike safely? **Hopefully** by the time their in their 20's they'd have grown up a bit and realise what a tw@t they were when younger.
Cheers,
Shaun. |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 Rogerborg nimbA

Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :    
|
 Posted: 11:15 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
Um, but note that the UK implementation almost ensures that 17 year olds will do a CBT, then ride around on a 125 for 2 years without any further training. How's that helping their safety? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| RichieZX6R |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 RichieZX6R Nearly there...

Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Karma :  
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| 0l0dom0l0 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 0l0dom0l0 World Chat Champion

Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 12:22 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
I love this attitude on the forum, where people seem to think all young people buy big bikes, don't restrict them and crash, which is complete bullshit really.
Shame that once again everyone takes the stereo type.
How about all older bikes ride everywhere at 20mph?
I think everyone needs to wake the fuck up a bit, and see where the EU is actually going with this. How many 17 year olds are going to do the new test? Very few, which means there will be less bikes on the road in the coming years. I doubt very much the new young bikers coming onto the road will replace the older bikers that are giving it up.
What you idiots don't realise is that is EXACTLY what the EU want, they want to decrease the amount of bikes on the road because we as a community are to dangerous. They eventually want to ban biking all together, so all this new test thing does is make that easy for them.
I would also like to point out that the reason for the 'new test' is because they want to encourage people to have more training. However, its so fucking complicated and expensive, that most young people, if they want a bike, will get a 125 and ride around on a CBT.... completely against the whole idea of the system in the first place.
There was nothing wrong with the old system, its just the fact it was never implemented properly which enabled people to get away without restricting their bikes, and putting themselves at risk etc. If the old system was correctly understood by everyone (police officers mainly) and had proper, consistent legislation behind it there would be no issues.
All the old system did anyway for the reason above, was penalise the people that were actually going to be sensible on a bike, because those were the ones that stuck the restriction out.
Bare in mind people, that the officers can't understand a simple, if you past your test before you're 21 and don't take another test you must ride a restricted bike, how the fuck are they going to understand and implement the new laws?
If they insist on changing the old law, then it should be changed to you pass your test, and you're allowed to ride up to a 250, putting out no more than 45bhp for 2 years or similar, and perhaps take another test at the end of the 2 years if they must. ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
Bikes: 2007 Derbi GPR 50, 1998 Yamaha Fazer 600 (written off), 2002 Yamaha Fazer 600, 1994 CBR 600F, 2003 Triumph Daytona 600, Kawasaki ZX6R J1.....Current: 2006 Yamaha FZ6, 1998 Suzuki TL1000R and a Honda VFR 400 NC30. |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| covent.gardens |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 covent.gardens World Clap Champion

Joined: 09 Jun 2012 Karma :     
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| 0l0dom0l0 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 0l0dom0l0 World Chat Champion

Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 12:43 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
| covent.gardens wrote: | Stopped reading here. If you want to convert people to your way of thinking, don't call them an idiot. |
I've just read through a whole thread where everyone has called all young people idiots and dangerous, of which I am one... ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
Bikes: 2007 Derbi GPR 50, 1998 Yamaha Fazer 600 (written off), 2002 Yamaha Fazer 600, 1994 CBR 600F, 2003 Triumph Daytona 600, Kawasaki ZX6R J1.....Current: 2006 Yamaha FZ6, 1998 Suzuki TL1000R and a Honda VFR 400 NC30.
Last edited by 0l0dom0l0 on 15:00 - 21 Oct 2012; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| talcumpowderb... |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 talcumpowderb... Nova Slayer

Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Karma :     
|
 Posted: 14:05 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
| 0l0dom0l0 wrote: | I love this attitude on the forum, where people seem to think all young people buy big bikes, don't restrict them and crash, which is complete bullshit really.
Shame that once again everyone takes the stereo type.
How about all older bikes ride everywhere at 20mph?
I think everyone needs to wake the fuck up a bit, and see where the EU is actually going with this. How many 17 year olds are going to do the new test? Very few, which means there will be less bikes on the road in the coming years. I doubt very much the new young bikers coming onto the road will replace the older bikers that are giving it up.
What you idiots don't realise is that is EXACTLY what the EU want, they want to decrease the amount of bikes on the road because we as a community are to dangerous. They eventually want to ban biking all together, so all this new test thing does is make that easy for them.
I would also like to point out that the reason for the 'new test' is because they want to encourage people to have more training. However, its so fucking complicated and expensive, that most young people, if they want a bike, will get a 125 and ride around on a CBT.... completely against the whole idea of the system in the first place.
There was nothing wrong with the old system, its just the fact it was never implemented properly which enabled people to get away without restricting their bikes, and putting themselves at risk etc. If the old system was correctly understood by everyone (police officers mainly) and had proper, consistent legislation behind it there would be no issues.
All the old system did anyway for the reason above, was penalise the people that were actually going to be sensible on a bike, because those were the ones that stuck the restriction out.
Bare in mind people, that the officers can't understand a simple, if you past your test before you're 21 and don't take another test you must ride a restricted bike, how the fuck are they going to understand and implement the new laws?
If they insist on changing the old law, then it should be changed to you pass your test, and you're allowed to ride up to a 250, putting out no more than 45bhp for 2 years or similar, and perhaps take another test at the end of the 2 years if they must. |
+1 this forum is corrupt!  |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| The Artist |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 The Artist Super Spammer

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Karma :  
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Pol Anorl |
This post is not being displayed because the poster is banned. Unhide this post / all posts.
|
 Pol Anorl Banned

Joined: 13 Apr 2010 Karma :     
|
 Posted: 14:25 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
Trololol idocy has destroyed bcf. ____________________ GOOD GAME BODYGUARD: https://i.imgur.com/8WePGgf.jpg
20:30:37 Pyro.: I don't sort of like men, I take every advantage to choke on dick.
Jewlio Iglesias: You live in Liverpool - Chances are, the front door has already been kicked off the hinges |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Blackwolf |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 Blackwolf Burgerfist

Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 14:29 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
BCF is Broken?! ____________________ Current: Ducati Multistrada 1200s |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Pol Anorl |
This post is not being displayed because the poster is banned. Unhide this post / all posts.
|
 Pol Anorl Banned

Joined: 13 Apr 2010 Karma :     
|
 Posted: 14:39 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
| talcumpowderbut wrote: | | 0l0dom0l0 wrote: | I love this attitude on the forum, where people seem to think all young people buy big bikes, don't restrict them and crash, which is complete bullshit really.
Shame that once again everyone takes the stereo type.
How about all older bikes ride everywhere at 20mph?
I think everyone needs to wake the fuck up a bit, and see where the EU is actually going with this. How many 17 year olds are going to do the new test? Very few, which means there will be less bikes on the road in the coming years. I doubt very much the new young bikers coming onto the road will replace the older bikers that are giving it up.
What you idiots don't realise is that is EXACTLY what the EU want, they want to decrease the amount of bikes on the road because we as a community are to dangerous. They eventually want to ban biking all together, so all this new test thing does is make that easy for them.
I would also like to point out that the reason for the 'new test' is because they want to encourage people to have more training. However, its so fucking complicated and expensive, that most young people, if they want a bike, will get a 125 and ride around on a CBT.... completely against the whole idea of the system in the first place.
There was nothing wrong with the old system, its just the fact it was never implemented properly which enabled people to get away without restricting their bikes, and putting themselves at risk etc. If the old system was correctly understood by everyone (police officers mainly) and had proper, consistent legislation behind it there would be no issues.
All the old system did anyway for the reason above, was penalise the people that were actually going to be sensible on a bike, because those were the ones that stuck the restriction out.
Bare in mind people, that the officers can't understand a simple, if you past your test before you're 21 and don't take another test you must ride a restricted bike, how the fuck are they going to understand and implement the new laws?
If they insist on changing the old law, then it should be changed to you pass your test, and you're allowed to ride up to a 250, putting out no more than 45bhp for 2 years or similar, and perhaps take another test at the end of the 2 years if they must. |
+1 this forum is corrupt!  |
You dun goofed. ____________________ GOOD GAME BODYGUARD: https://i.imgur.com/8WePGgf.jpg
20:30:37 Pyro.: I don't sort of like men, I take every advantage to choke on dick.
Jewlio Iglesias: You live in Liverpool - Chances are, the front door has already been kicked off the hinges |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| 0l0dom0l0 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 0l0dom0l0 World Chat Champion

Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Karma :  
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Pol Anorl |
This post is not being displayed because the poster is banned. Unhide this post / all posts.
|
 Pol Anorl Banned

Joined: 13 Apr 2010 Karma :     
|
 Posted: 16:12 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
Much better, wtf you doo ____________________ GOOD GAME BODYGUARD: https://i.imgur.com/8WePGgf.jpg
20:30:37 Pyro.: I don't sort of like men, I take every advantage to choke on dick.
Jewlio Iglesias: You live in Liverpool - Chances are, the front door has already been kicked off the hinges |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| _Iain_ |
This post is not being displayed because the poster is banned. Unhide this post / all posts.
|
 _Iain_ Banned

Joined: 01 Feb 2012 Karma :     
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 Rogerborg nimbA

Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :    
|
 Posted: 17:44 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
| 0l0dom0l0 wrote: | What you idiots don't realise is that is EXACTLY what the EU want, they want to decrease the amount of bikes on the road |
Abusive and insightful...
Calm down, soldier, we've got your back. Anyone who's been watching what Brussels has been up to will have come to that conclusion: Vision Zero won't and can't be fulfilled until we're all off our bikes.
| 0l0dom0l0 wrote: | Bare in mind people, that the officers can't understand a simple, if you past your test before you're 21 and don't take another test you must ride a restricted bike, how the fuck are they going to understand and implement the new laws? |
Beats me. I'd expect that the 35kW limit will be stuck to every bit as much as the current 25kW one is. It'll be interesting to see how many folk bother upgrading from A2 to full A after their 2 year purgatory.
That's assuming that training schools survive until then. It's going to be pretty lean when they lose all of their 17 and 18 year old candidates overnight, beyond the CBT. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| fozzym |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 fozzym Brolly Dolly

Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 17:47 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
It's crazy to think the EU want to ban bikes now or in the future. The fact is every government is trying to find an alternative to the car. In many other countries across Europe the motorcycle is accepted as an important part of the motoring culture.
Like it or not I believe the new laws are genuinely trying to improve safety.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| 0l0dom0l0 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 0l0dom0l0 World Chat Champion

Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 18:13 - 21 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
| Rogerborg wrote: | | 0l0dom0l0 wrote: | What you idiots don't realise is that is EXACTLY what the EU want, they want to decrease the amount of bikes on the road |
Abusive and insightful...
Calm down, soldier, we've got your back. Anyone who's been watching what Brussels has been up to will have come to that conclusion: Vision Zero won't and can't be fulfilled until we're all off our bikes. |
I know, just don't usually post in these threads but am getting a little bit bored of the reading the same 'its a good idea' bullshit because its safer for young people etc etc. ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
Bikes: 2007 Derbi GPR 50, 1998 Yamaha Fazer 600 (written off), 2002 Yamaha Fazer 600, 1994 CBR 600F, 2003 Triumph Daytona 600, Kawasaki ZX6R J1.....Current: 2006 Yamaha FZ6, 1998 Suzuki TL1000R and a Honda VFR 400 NC30. |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| DreadHead |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 DreadHead Nova Slayer

Joined: 25 Jul 2012 Karma :     
|
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Alpha-9 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 Alpha-9 Super Spammer

Joined: 19 Jan 2012 Karma :  
|
 Posted: 09:31 - 22 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
12 signatures? This is really gaining some momentum now!
So close  ____________________ Fzr-600 1999 |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
| Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
 Rogerborg nimbA

Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :    
|
 Posted: 10:57 - 22 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
 |
|
| fozzym wrote: | The fact is every government is trying to find an alternative to the car. In many other countries across Europe the motorcycle is accepted as an important part of the motoring culture. |
The EU is run by those who show up. Excitable Southrons with bike cultures tend to ignore the EU, or hit it up for handouts, they don't run it.
The Nordic block don't like bikes at a State level: Vision Zero has no place for powered two wheelers.
France appears to detests bikes: they've achieved a 100bhp limit and reflective stickers, and have tried to introduce reflective vests, no filtering, and banning older bikes from cities.
Germany, well, they have BMW, so there's that.
It's not just the 3rd Directive: look at the anti-tamper tosh and the Euro wide testing regime for bikes.
I expect there's a place for 125s or (God help us) electric bikes for transporting Worker Assets to their Toil Pods, but using bikes for pleasure and leisure? It hurts them, where a human would have a heart.
| fozzym wrote: | Like it or not I believe the new laws are genuinely trying to improve safety. |
Maybe, but in a comically inept way, by obsessing over power and weight, like autistic spackers. Heck, they're still doing it, they're just after upping the A3/A test bike minimums to 50kW and 180kg.
If they were really interested in biker safety, they'd have mandated more training. 7 hours is the minimum required, and our CBT satisfies that. Heck, they could have mandated bike awareness training for drivers, they're the ones mashing us up. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
|
| Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
 |
Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 348 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
 |
|
|