Enduros/Supermotos/offroaders

[.Bishbash.]

I intend to buy one of the above next year, preferably one with both offroad and supermoto wheels for all occasions and I want to get all muddy and fall off lots AND commute to work if needs be!

I would like to know what machine would be ideal for this? I am not overly experienced in these, the only one I have owned(KTM EXC 450) got nicked off me after a whole week of owning it.

So, what would you suggest?????????????
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[Kradmelder]

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[.Bishbash.]

Ah this is gold, cheers chaps! I will save these bike names. Had a look at CCMs and Husqavarnas, they look like fun. Anyone know if you can get supermoto wheels for Husq's?

Ta.


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[Irn-Bru]

Sounds like a DRZ would be a good choice, but they are a bit under powered so I'd recommend an FCR carb & full exhaust. Cheap, plenty of bits, wheels are easy to get ahold of and swap, simple carb'd engine etc.

690's are great but expensive and have questionable reliability, mine was getting FI problems with only 4000 miles on it and I had stickers peeling off, leaking brake reservoir, missing bolts, horn stopped working, just little things that I don't think a 11 month old bike should have, baring in mind they are nearly £7K. I got a bit unsettled by the stalling and got rid of it, deciding a cheaper bike was for me, at least if it breaks it won't bug me so much. That aside, it's a lovely bike to ride and very quick and surprising economical.
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KTM 990 SMT & Suzuki DR-Z 400 SM

[.Bishbash.]

I'm not thinking of spending that much! I would have to sell both my Yamaha's for that!

I was thinking more £2000 - £2500

DRZ, yes, I forgot about them! Good shout!
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[Irn-Bru]

Well that's brand spanking new, the 2012 SMC model is £7,200 but it is mighty sexy. Second hand they are 3.5 - 6K (<2012). DRZ's are 1.5 - 3K.

G mentioned DRZ's earlier btw E model's typically sell for a lot less than SM's, could be cheaper to buy an E, then get some SM wheels although they are usually £400 a set, E wheels are typically £220+ depending on condition and with or without tyres. If you got an SM and converted it to E form you'd have the 310mm disc to worry about, not really suited to off roading due to its size but the E standard brake probably wouldn't be great attached to 17's on the roads either.
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KTM 990 SMT & Suzuki DR-Z 400 SM

[Pie-Roe]

The husky te610 came as a supermoto and enduro model. I own a 610 that was amazing fun when it worked, had a good balance of power and weight, with a bit of reliability.

Surprised G hasn't gone over the three main points.

You get reliability/servicing, weight, and power. Something like an xt660 has a fair punch of power, good reliability/servicing but is really heavy.
A crf/rmz/kmx will be powerful, light but will need replacement valves/lots of oil and filter changes.

A DRZ is reliable with real servicing times, light enough but is fairly underpowered.

If you spend a fair amount (I know you aren't planning to) I believe I've seen figures suggesting the newer 690s are much well balanced, in that the power is up, the weight is down and the service intervals are miles not hours.

I would go for a drz e with sm wheels, or a husky 610. Wouldn't bother with ccm as the 644s are underpowered, the 404 has a drz engine, and the 604 rotax I've heard to be unreliable. Mine handled beautifully though. The price of these sort of bikes seems to have gone through the roof though recently.
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[P.]

My "supermoto" was a heavy 138kg TT600R with excel rims and talon hubs, you can get wheels for pretty much any bike, you can get your original hubs laced to different rims.

It was a great bike overall. Down geared it and kinda ruined it, yeah, you could wheelie but it ran out of puff at 80-85mph. Was fantastic riding position though, nice and high and noisy as hell

You could wheelie it in 2nd happily on normal gearing (16/41) and a good rider would be able to keep it up and all the way through the gears.

If I was to do something like that again as a 2nd bike, I'd be looking XR400/DRZ400E... miss mine really, but maybe again in the future!

[Fizzer Thou]

My XR400SM is a whole bundle of fun and I still have the dirt bike wheels to resort to if necessary

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Honda%20750/My%20bikes/Picture051-1.jpg

Have a look here

https://www.supermotoforum.co.uk/bikes-bits-sale/

Nice XR400 here as well

https://www.enduronews.com/forsale.htm
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[Irn-Bru]

[69chris]

not the fastest, not the lightest, not the etc etc etc

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but it makes me smile

[0l0dom0l0]

2 stroke or 4?

2 stroke, something like a CR250 would be a good laugh. Really you want the CR500 but they are pretty rare now and not cheap.

4 stroke.... Honda CRF 450? Loads of those that are road registered around with both sets of wheels etc.
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[Wave2k]

I found my DRz400e fine for all the above.

matinence on these single thumpers is tiresome though.


and as there are no greenlanes near me, i was commuting 20-30 miles to them which chewed the hell out of my rear tyre.
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[KLR600]

Not got a recommendation for a specific bike/make but I was looking to get an enduro/supermoto for the same reasons as you earlier in the year. (I did have an old Kawasaki KLR600 that I ran for a year but it was a bit old and tired and used 95% for commuting). I would suggest getting a bike that already has both sets of wheels as buying a set of supermoto wheels is expensive and a bit of a faff getting everything together like big brake conversion parts and maybe wheel spacers etc not to mention the possibility of having to sacrifice your off road rims to lace your hubs onto supermoto rims. You should easily be able to get a bike with both sets of wheels for £2.5k.

Just a note to say that unless you've moved recently I'd be a bit worried about buying another off-roader if the last one you had was stolen in a week. Definitely look at upgrading your security.
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Have a look on my fb pictures Neil , mate of mine is selling a husky 610 te
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[Kawksam]

Yamaha ttr 250 not the quickest of cats but handles well good on fuel and a nice bike to use everyday

[.Bishbash.]

[Atomic Punk]

I have had
2 x Husky SM610
1 X CCM 644
1 X MZ Baghira 660
1 x Aprillia Dorsoduro 750

Huskys are brilliant fun, good performance and realy light to chuck about on and off road. Servicing is needed often and they drink oil.

CCM is pretty bullet proof, doesn't have the same performance as the Husky but is a lot more reliable.

MZ is basicaly a Yamaha XT but will lots of uprated bits, brakes plastics, suspension also bullet proof but heavy.
I took a load of unnessasary metal off mine, ditched the realy heavy exhaust, swapped for a Viper and spent £2000 tuning the engine. It went like shit off a shovel.......... and then got nicked

The Aprillia isn't realy an option for you
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[.Bishbash.]

Ah thanks for that, good info on 2 bikes I was interested in(CCM and Husq)

Sounds like CCM might be on the cards for me, being British helps as well
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[Kradmelder]

[.Bishbash.]

Yeah height really isn't an issue for me standing at 6'5" I happily had both feet on the ground and legs fully stretched when sitting on my KTM 450 exc

Kradmelder,

When you state 'weekend trials', what do you mean by this? I just intend to have some byway fun, nothing too serious!
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