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PostPosted: 13:00 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Privatising Roads gets ok from CBI Reply with quote

Apology if repost but I thought of this from this thread - Which useless civil servant thought this up? - two tier road tax pricing.

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nce.co.uk wrote:
Prime minister David Cameron’s plans to privatise the roads network and scrap the Highways Agency won the backing of business leaders


I do believe there was another recent report from a right wing think-tank body saying privatisation would reduce costs for motorists. Sadly can't find link atm unless this from Autocar is it...
Autocar site wrote:
Road privatisation 'will ease traffic'

Under the new plans, investors would bid to own highways over a long lease period, which would then be privately maintained thanks to yearly government funding; this extra cash injection could come from inflated road tax costs.

On top of this, privately owned roads could also introduce toll charging, but only on extended stretches of existing highway...



What a stupid ass idea. British roads being owned/run by, for example, the French, Germans, Americans (like our power/gas, that's worked out well after all) Rolling Eyes Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh it was only a matter of how long compared to when, still wonder where this money is going to go doubt it will touch the roads, hmm maybe he will say to reduce the debt Rolling Eyes When he is actually paying the interest if any and not touching the debt as that was still going up.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Road tax being abolished then? because I sure as f*ck wont be paying twice.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking about it this will be great for the economy, just think if they want to manage it at all they will have to turn them into a kind of toll road, with a person at each slip road Laughing Otherwise they are never going to enforce it..
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

this isnt going to end well at all. can fore see signs like no motorcycles popping up all over the place with these new plans.

ease traffic? bollocks will it. roads will get worse, chances are more accidents are going to happen* and all this money will be going into the back pockets of people who dont need anymore cash.

*who do we report fuel/oil spills to if the HA is removed?
who will we report pot holes or other hazards to?
who will ensure that hazards are taken care of?
who is going to make sure that the roads are maintained?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reduce costs?

How the fuck will they do that?

I will still pay my road tax, I will still pay for insurance and MOTs, I will still pay for fuel...and that WOULD be that, but now I will have to pay TOLLS as well? Fuck off Cameron you conservative cunt.

"Plans to privatise the roads won the backing of business leaders"

OF COURSE IT FUCKING DID, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL MAKE MONEY FROM IT

FUCK YOU DAVID, FUCK YOU CONSERVATIVES, THE PEOPLE SHOULD OWN THE COUNTRY, NOT A SELECT FEW RICH ASSCUNTSHITFUCKERS


On a related note, is this why almost every single motorway in the country currently is being worked on (50mph average speed zones Evil or Very Mad ) with signs saying "upgrading to managed motorways"? That doesn't fill me with positive thoughts, in fact all that says to me is "Big Brother is going to be watching you".
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
Thinking about it this will be great for the economy, just think if they want to manage it at all they will have to turn them into a kind of toll road, with a person at each slip road Laughing Otherwise they are never going to enforce it..


that has to be a crappy job, sitting in a plastic tub all day in the cold.

while the economy could benefit from this i feel sorry for the sods freezing their backsides off collecting £ from drivers who are already pissed off and looking for someone to rage on.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
...if they want to manage it at all they will have to turn them into a kind of toll road, with a person at each slip road Laughing Otherwise they are never going to enforce it..

Thinking errr, what do you suppose all the ANPR cameras around the country will be assigned for then? Or am I being too cynical? Wink

Certainly I think could set them up over motorway entry and exit slip roads.

I expect something like a bill through the post, "your vehicle was spotted on this x road and this y road, a distance of z miles, please enter your credit card details below to pay...", kerching. Either that or something like congestion scheme where you can load up a card and have it debited automatically.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TheSmiler wrote:
Thinking about it this will be great for the economy, just think if they want to manage it at all they will have to turn them into a kind of toll road, with a person at each slip road Laughing Otherwise they are never going to enforce it..


that has to be a crappy job, sitting in a plastic tub all day in the cold.

while the economy could benefit from this i feel sorry for the sods freezing their backsides off collecting £ from drivers who are already pissed off and looking for someone to rage on.


Crappy job maybe but just think how many slip roads there are that could be monitored, then think how many jobs that will create. It's just what this country needs.

Although they would most probably resort to EFC to "reduce costs" (Electronic Fee Collectors) which would still bring temporary jobs.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All we do then is N30 our plates to the undertray Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Daily Mail is as reliable as The Sun. Lots of FUD, little substance.

From here

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A two-tier Vehicle Excise Duty, with a lower rate for those avoiding motorways and other main routes, is among options being considered by the government.

The plans would not necessarily mean those using motorways pay more than at present, a Treasury source said.


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However, linking how much motorists pay with how far they drive on motorways, or their use at peak times, has been ruled out.


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The government has made clear it will not implement tolls on existing road capacity and has no plans to replace existing motoring taxes with pay-as-you-go road charging.

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
Crappy job maybe but just think how many slip roads there are that could be monitored, then think how many jobs that will create. It's just what this country needs.

Although they would most probably resort to EFC to "reduce costs" (Electronic Fee Collectors) which would still bring temporary jobs.


problem is this country does NOT need TEMPORARY jobs, it needs permanent jobs which offer security, routine and so on. temporary jobs are such a false economy. like CBT riding for 20 years! i'd happily take up a job sitting in a booth monitoring cars paying tolls if it was permanent. as long as they put a small parking bay close to it for obvious reasons.

temporary and part time jobs. too many of these in this country and employers get so picky if you take up a second PT job. some work contracts actually prevent you from getting a second PT job.

all this "electronic era" BULLSHIT! anyone else notice, before the internet, anpr cameras and electronic/automatic payment/systems there was alot more jobs around? skilled workers who build stupidly massive things. fuck the titanic is one hell of an example. dont see that sorta stuff anymore! (and yes, it sunk, but only because they went against the design recomendations of raising the bulkheads due to asthetic reasons).

point is, private motorways + tolls = full time, permanent jobs, NOT this bullshit electronic methods.

if the government wants to release its responsibility of ensuring our roads are kept up and pawn that off to companies, the least they can do is MAKE SURE that the country gets something in return!
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the above by Usually_wrong.
Employing people is costly though.
You have to pay wages for one, then national insurance. Plus you'll need insurance cover for your employees, buy them a uniform, put up places where they can work, 'rest' facilities (i.e. so they can relieve themselves at least), etc.

Whereas it's a one-off cost to install something like ANPR gantries and the network and computer servers to monitor it. Plus they'll be an asset that can be written off against tax as well so even cheaper investment. People can't be written down/off (although you wouldn't think so would you). As said it's a one off cost that'll get cheaper when put against the income over several years on the business model. People are a recurring annual expense.

However, different companies have a different way of looking at the value/cost of people based on their bottom line. When I worked on oil and gas safety systems the kit was set up to protect the working parts. Based on that it could be a 3 to 12 month lead time to replace a part like a generator (IIRC we used RB211 jet engine based stuff). So if it went down you'd be losing money. People on the other hand were cheaper and quicker to replace. So if a few got killed/injured then no big deal (any bad publicity handled by marketing so no worries).

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PostPosted: 14:13 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes but what do these electronic/automated systems put back into the economy?

the government is saying the country needs more jobs, heres a prime oppertunity to ensure jobs are created on a permanent basis.

tax, national insurance, less benefits being used. all of this helps bring the country out of recession and debt. it also gets people working again.

more machines doing jobs = less national income.

if you run a company big enough to buy a stretch of motorway then im pretty sure that company can afford to employ people to manage the tolls.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
while the economy could benefit from [legalising highway robbery]

To robbe Petyr & geve it Poule, it were non almesse but gret synne.

You could also help glaziers by running around breaking windows, but it doesn't help the economy, it just ensures that everyone but glaziers loses out. Having people produce things helps everyone. But too many tithes and taxes are just re-distribution of blood from the host to the parasite.

This particular application of leechcraft is being lauded by people who all have expense accounts. Is it any wonder they're in favour of getting the proles out of their way?

I'd lay money (say 100 miles worth) that any scheme will be set up Catch-22 alfalfa farming stylee, so that "eco incentives" will be given based on the amount of traffic that doesn't use any stretch of road.

Dress it up any way you like, but the only way for the gentry to travel unimpeded is to price the peasantry off of the road, and get us back in cattle trucks where we belong.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tories ran the national industries down till they creaked and became worthless shams of what they once were....

(Nationalisation was how the government, at the time, prevented industrial meltdown after WWII. By bailing out Private Industry that had been habitually raped by its owners.)

...So they could be sold off for a bargain basement price to the highest bidder/s and the stupid British idiot public sucked it in bought a few worthless shares which imeadiatly made a few pounds and were promptly sold off to a few greedy bastarts who's been waiting in the wings to gobble all the crumbs up.

Fucking Thatcher.

We need these Tories OUT and Alex Salamander in.

Seriously it's another scam to line the pockets of those who aye have their pocket lined by Improvement Programs such as this.

Does any fecker know if the French have any Guillotines for sale?
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Da fuq is happening to the world seriously

There can only be so much bullshit they can put through until people kick off
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:46 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
Reduce costs?

How the fuck will they do that?

I will still pay my road tax, I will still pay for insurance and MOTs, I will still pay for fuel...and that WOULD be that, but now I will have to pay TOLLS as well? Fuck off Cameron you conservative cunt.

"Plans to privatise the roads won the backing of business leaders"

OF COURSE IT FUCKING DID, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL MAKE MONEY FROM IT

FUCK YOU DAVID, FUCK YOU CONSERVATIVES, THE PEOPLE SHOULD OWN THE COUNTRY, NOT A SELECT FEW RICH ASSCUNTSHITFUCKERS


Err...Labour also considered this, they even ran trials.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:


Err...Labour also considered this, they even ran trials.


that should read:

"Err...Labour also considered this, and implemented it"



https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/shadow-toll-pfi-siphon-government.html
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, all conceived, studied, funded amd set in motion by the labour government. It's cost MILLIONS to put up all those little white ANPR cameras.

And you all thought road pricing was dead - this is just the same devil by another name.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt mind this if they also adopted an autobahn approach to speed. Imagine how fast you could get places with no speed limits Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
I wouldnt mind this if they also adopted an autobahn approach to speed. Imagine how fast you could get places with no speed limits Laughing


On a lot of stretches, not very. A good chunk of the Autobahn is restricted. Also, more importantly, they're free. Wink
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