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PostPosted: 21:54 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Noisy lid Reply with quote

I have an HJC Emblem and the wind-noise is bloody awful.

I have tried my MRA Vario in every position but at any setting the wind-noise becomes unbearable at 50+ MPH. Now, the last lid I bought was back in '81 and I used it for many years without problem with noise but this new lid means ear-plugs are necessary on any ride over 30 miles.

I have tried with vents open and closed (my '81 lid didn't have ventilation ports).

Is this a 'feature' of HJC or modern lids generally?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noise is fixed by wearing earplugs. There isn't a crash helmet made that I'm aware of that doesn't require ear protection to avoid hearing damage.

Did anyone try those earplug s I left at the BBQ? Those are the ones I use and i haven't found anythig better yet.

Now to answer your question - no, it's not a feature of all HJC helmets, I've had five CS-12's and they were about the quietest lid I've tried. Now I have a CS-14 (coz I can't get the cs-12 any more) and it's a good bit noisier and has a nasty whistle if you have the visor open a little.

Worst I ever tried was a Shoei - can't remember the model, but it was truly dreadful for noise.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The long and the short of it is, the noise is not down to the lid. The noise is down to the combination of lid, your head shape, the bike and how you ride.

If you find a lid that is quiet, well done, but it was luck not judgement.

If you end up with a noisy lid, buy some Max Lites and wear them all the time. That is what I do, and I'm glad that I do as I should retain my hearing...
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PostPosted: 06:03 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The noise comes from the hole in the helmet you put your head through.
If you seal this up you reduce the noise by about 80%.
Modern lids are far better at noise reduction as it is now accepted that noise at speed causes hearing damage. (Though a lot of people are deaf to the advice)

I have 'the quiestest' helmet on the market (They claim) Shuberth C3. Pile of shite if I am honest. It is not noticably quiter than my Shoei was and just as noisey as my Arai.

Earplugs are the simplest way to reduce noise.
Fitting a massooof screen works but is tres gay.

Tobinators, variators and cetera are also muchness of Gehy.... Razz
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PostPosted: 06:47 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

do earphones have any effect? or would you still get hearing damage without ear plugs?
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
I have 'the quiestest' helmet on the market (They claim) Shuberth C3. Pile of shite if I am honest. It is not noticably quiter than my Shoei was and just as noisey as my Arai.


I have the C3 too; it is also not particularly quiet. As others mentioned, a lot depends on the seal around the neck. My C3 isn't too bad when the adjustable chin flap thing is positioned just right, but if I wear a balaclava or neck tube, it's very noisy again.

At 60+ mph, especially on the motorway, there's a huge racket from all the tyres against the road in any case.
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a schuberth full face and find it quiet. Good tight fit that matches my head shape.

My uvex is noisy, but all peaked helmets are.

I don't think earphones help as much as earplugs.

The combination of the uvex, loud pipes on a ktm and wind plast means I need ear plugs on long trips or my ears are ringing. A good windscreen and quiet bike reduces wind noise significantly
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find my shark vision r pretty good with wind noise.

It isn't the usual gusty wooshing noise you usually get but more of a low bassy sound which does feel a lot easier on the ears and I don't have ringing ears after going for a ride out.

It might be the fit aswell though, like others have said in here. It is a bit of a squeeze to get it on and fits very snug even after using it almost everyday for the past couple of month.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice a lot less wind noise when wearing my earphones. Cant get on with earplugs what-so-ever.

You could also try one of those helmet 'skirts', they look utterly crap but virtually eliminate wind noise.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Try a Shark Reply with quote

My Shark Evoline 2 is quiet enough to wear riding on the motorway over long distances without any ear protection. Did London to Cheltenham the other day along M25, M40 and then up the A40 without any ear protection and had no problems at all.

Only problem is that if you don't have a Shark shaped-head it can be a very very painful thing to wear.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The long and the short of it is, the noise is not down to the lid. The noise is down to the combination of lid, your head shape, the bike and how you ride.


Totally agree with this. My lid (AGV K3) is nice and quiet on the YBR, but at similar speeds and on the same roads the 750 is a LOT noisier, think its time to invest in some ear plugs!
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarlosCBR wrote:
I notice a lot less wind noise when wearing my earphones. Cant get on with earplugs what-so-ever.

You could also try one of those helmet 'skirts', they look utterly crap but virtually eliminate wind noise.


Does a man wear anything that is a 'skirt'? Mr. Green Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocatoro wrote:
do earphones have any effect? or would you still get hearing damage without ear plugs?

Buy some silicone putty off of eBay, mould them into custom plugs, job done.

Kradmelder wrote:
CarlosCBR wrote:
You could also try one of those helmet 'skirts', they look utterly crap but virtually eliminate wind noise.

Does a man call anything that is a 'skirt'? Mr. Green Laughing

Call it a "helmet kilt" then, they still work really well. Razz
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses. It seems this is the norm. The odd thing about my 1981 Bell was that I can't recall noise ever being a problem.

I do have earplugs and use them for anything over a short ride but am looking to get a Scala and don't know if I will still hear anything from it if I have earplugs. Thinking
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Thanks for the responses. It seems this is the norm. The odd thing about my 1981 Bell was that I can't recall noise ever being a problem.

I do have earplugs and use them for anything over a short ride but am looking to get a Scala and don't know if I will still hear anything from it if I have earplugs. Thinking


I had a Bell - made my ears ring....
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Thanks for the responses. It seems this is the norm. The odd thing about my 1981 Bell was that I can't recall noise ever being a problem.

I do have earplugs and use them for anything over a short ride but am looking to get a Scala and don't know if I will still hear anything from it if I have earplugs. Thinking


The noise is caused by air passing the neck of the helmet which causes votices etc. Different bikes have differing effects on helmet noise due to the shape of the windshield etc.
The windshield causes vacuum which breaks at different point and the turbulence is mainly what you hear (up the side of the neck just under your ears).
It is depenant of several factors one is helmet, one is rider height in relationship to the screen.
You can get things which affect the airflow to produce the turbulance at different positions.
So if you change the bike the helmet noise can change too.

The scala is quite loud enough to hear with earplugs in.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Noisy lid Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
I have an HJC Emblem and the wind-noise is bloody awful.

I have tried my MRA Vario in every position but at any setting the wind-noise becomes unbearable at 50+ MPH.?


Does the noise go away if you stand up on the pegs or duck down behind the screen....

Bet it does.

The problem is the screen and how it causes the air to become turbulant behind the screen.

Odds on changing the helmet will not help much at all.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wore a 1981 Bell helmet up until now?????
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atomic Punk wrote:
You wore a 1981 Bell helmet up until now?????


No, I stopped riding in '88 and just did a DAS last month. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an MRA Vario and cannot find a decent position for it. I thought I had it nailed but realistically it is not.

things do get quieter if I raise up slightly so I understand the screen has an effect. Maybe I should try removing the screen and seeing how quiet the lid is then.

I'm considering going for the MRA touring screen as it is higher but it would be nice to see one up-close before spending more dosh. The MRA was on the bike when I bought it and the original screen was not supplied.

Back in the 80's I was riding naked bikes, maybe that was the reason it was quieter? Thinking

I have also removed the chin-curtain, though this made no difference to the noise when it was fitted but it was just a cosmic pain in the arse.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Noisy lid Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
cimbian wrote:
I have an HJC Emblem and the wind-noise is bloody awful.

I have tried my MRA Vario in every position but at any setting the wind-noise becomes unbearable at 50+ MPH.?


Does the noise go away if you stand up on the pegs or duck down behind the screen....

Bet it does.

The problem is the screen and how it causes the air to become turbulant behind the screen.

Odds on changing the helmet will not help much at all.


I certainly agree ^^^^.

My HJC IS13 was really quiet on my street triple with just the pod over the clocks. On my Explorer with its big screen it's a lot noisier even though I don't get much wind buffeting.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
I have an MRA Vario and cannot find a decent position for it. I thought I had it nailed but realistically it is not.

things do get quieter if I raise up slightly so I understand the screen has an effect. Maybe I should try removing the screen and seeing how quiet the lid is then.

I'm considering going for the MRA touring screen as it is higher but it would be nice to see one up-close before spending more dosh. The MRA was on the bike when I bought it and the original screen was not supplied.

Back in the 80's I was riding naked bikes, maybe that was the reason it was quieter? Thinking

I have also removed the chin-curtain, though this made no difference to the noise when it was fitted but it was just a cosmic pain in the arse.


I took a BMW K1300GT out for a demo. I hated the screen. It was sooooo noisy behind it. Dreadfully noisy for a 'Cadilac' of Eurotouros.
I mentioned to the sales when I got back. I was informed they come with a longer screen (but I wasnot told how much longer.) so I opted for the longer screen on my new bike. I got the option free as they were at the end of production specials so they took pity on me.
When I got the new bike the first thing I noticed was the noise behind the screen The screen is electric up and down so I adjusted to max up. Still not perfect but better. I just stepped of a R1200GS which I'd fitted a big screen to so was more protected by 'my' screen than the extra extended BMW factory option.
I have considered the Touratech flappy thing but again I would not like to pay £90 for something that do nothing.
I was out on a Ducati 749 years ago and was put off by the lack of wind protection. I did find if you kept you chin on the tank it was not too bad though.. Smile

Best defence is custom-mould earplugs. The DIY ones are OK but they are far far from the perfect ones that you get from the blokes who do the £50 jobbies at bike shows.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got to be honest I've never had a problem with wind noise in my Shoei XR-1100.. but then again I top out at about 60mph.

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PostPosted: 20:32 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
I've got to be honest I've never had a problem with wind noise in my Shoei XR-1100.. but then again I top out at about 60mph.

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+1 to the XR1100. I wear ear plugs and ride fast on my Gixxer, head down - no noise. Same on my DL but the upright position and high screen means a bit more buffeting but still pretty quiet. Ear plugs give me a much better ride all round. Don't laugh but I use Blue Tack - have had the same two plugs for about 4000 miles now and they still give a perfect seal:
https://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc504/Radyr/one-3.jpghttps://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc504/Radyr/three.jpg I can still hear the other vehicles but not the low frequency wind, a bit like being behind windows in a car.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Noisy lid Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
I have an HJC Emblem and the wind-noise is bloody awful.

I have tried my MRA Vario in every position but at any setting the wind-noise becomes unbearable at 50+ MPH. Now, the last lid I bought was back in '81 and I used it for many years without problem with noise but this new lid means ear-plugs are necessary on any ride over 30 miles.

I have tried with vents open and closed (my '81 lid didn't have ventilation ports).

Is this a 'feature' of HJC or modern lids generally?


What sort of jacket are you wearing?
The wind noise, if I wear a leather jacket, is much greater than if I'm wearing a textile jacket.
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