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PostPosted: 12:18 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Motorcycle Muffs + handguards. Reply with quote

Hi,

Can motorcycle muffs be fitted over hand guards?
I'm planning to fit something to let me survive winter riding and muffs seems to be the best option.

It's a VanVan with Venom guards
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and its the best way to do it.

A lot of the time, muffs get blasted by the wind and actually push back on brake and clutch levers. Handguards eliminate this problem and keep the muffs in place.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big thanks!

Any suggestion on good muffs?

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PostPosted: 12:47 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the Oxford Bone Dry ones, because frankly all the furry stuff inside a lot of muffs these days isn't a good idea because they don't actually get or stay warm. They just get wet, take forever to dry, and get mouldy.

The bone dry ones are just plain textile, but they do a good job.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigDan wrote:
Yes, and its the best way to do it.

A lot of the time, muffs get blasted by the wind and actually push back on brake and clutch levers. Handguards eliminate this problem and keep the muffs in place.


Or just take your bar end off, install muff, once in place and it's not fouling on the levers, use a screwdriver to stab a hole in the muff, through where it sits against where your bar ends fixes into....and then install bar end back on, on the exterior. Done.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get tucano urbano (neoprene) muffs you don't need to worry about them deforming with wind resistance at speed. They could/should be mounted on their own
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you think I can put this on without any modifications?
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
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Yes, and its the best way to do it.

A lot of the time, muffs get blasted by the wind and actually push back on brake and clutch levers. Handguards eliminate this problem and keep the muffs in place.


Or just take your bar end off, install muff, once in place and it's not fouling on the levers, use a screwdriver to stab a hole in the muff, through where it sits against where your bar ends fixes into....and then install bar end back on, on the exterior. Done.


I do that too Smile
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't the hand guards keep your hands out of the wind anyway? I was going to buy some handguards as my fingers get REALLY cold on the bike, even in winter gloves.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginny wrote:
If you get tucano urbano (neoprene) muffs you don't need to worry about them deforming with wind resistance at speed. They could/should be mounted on their own


This. They include a plastic bracer which prevents the muffs pressing back on the levers. Fitted mine back on yesterday in about 20 mins ready for the cold/wet weather.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tucano Urbano.

I left my Oxford bone drys by the side of the M20 as they were;

A, Letting in water.
B, Pushing on my brake lever.
C, Hitting the switch gear turning the lights and killswitch off.

I have fitted the Tucano's, they don't go over the switch gear, they are totally waterproof and sealed, not like the Oxford SuperWets where they "popper button" together and they come with plastic guards inside that go over the grip and round past the levers to ensure they don't get pushed onto levers.

They also attach to your bar ends.

I've had no trouble with them, ever.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do a forum search you'll see that plenty of people have asked about the oxford muffs and are often given the same opinion by many members; they're rubbish.

I tryed some myself, but they were unusable at even 30mph, they just fall straight back onto the levers. Sure you could probably use them with handguards if you have them, but tbh if I was going for muffs again, it'd be the tucano urbano ones. Read ;oads of great reviews of them, and they look well designed to avoid fouling the controls.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of people recommend tucano.
I'm just not sure witch ones.

Seems like there is few models and some of them won't go over my hand guards.
I don't worry that the muffs will push the levers as it's simply not possible with hand guards.


Do you know what model will go well with venom guards?
I don't want to pierce or tear my muffs.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not remove the guards? Don't really need them if you're fitting muffs.
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need the guards. Saved me and bike few times already.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigDan wrote:
I used the Oxford Bone Dry ones, because frankly all the furry stuff inside a lot of muffs these days isn't a good idea because they don't actually get or stay warm. They just get wet, take forever to dry, and get mouldy.


Never known a set to do that. In fact the furry ones have a metal band on the opening so you can close them when not riding so I'm intrigued as to how any get in this state?

Why did you buy the absolute worst brand of muff on the market exactly. Just wondering as they are expensive, not self supporting and don't actually fit anything without cutting. Just wondering like?
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigDan wrote:
I used the Oxford Bone Dry ones, because frankly all the furry stuff inside a lot of muffs these days isn't a good idea because they don't actually get or stay warm. They just get wet, take forever to dry, and get mouldy.

The bone dry ones are just plain textile, but they do a good job.

I've got Oxford muffs and found they sucked - however when used around the hand guards on my KTM did an ok job in combination with heated grips - while they don't offer the wind and rain protection of decent (to my mind) muffs, they are easier to get hands in and out of and moving around in when off-roading.

For normal road biking I'd much prefer to go for 'furry' ones like the urbano's - they get and stay much warmer, don't get as wet (never gone mouldy) and generally keep my hands much, much warmer.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:


Never known a set to do that. In fact the furry ones have a metal band on the opening so you can close them when not riding so I'm intrigued as to how any get in this state?

Why did you buy the absolute worst brand of muff on the market exactly. Just wondering as they are expensive, not self supporting and don't actually fit anything without cutting. Just wondering like?

He needs to get his hand inside terh lawrz muff, so warm, soft and you feel all the inside, yet slightly cavernous, I know if I had a muff it would be like lozzies Wub

So big and warm that even Recluso managed to get her gash in there, or so I have heard.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Venom hand-guards on my ER5, I can't see how you'd get muffs over them without some butchering!
Last winter I used some canvas & cable ties to make little wind-breaks (tied some canvas from the handguards to my mirrors) kept the wind off a treat.
I have Tucanos (R361) on the NC, they have plastic spines that keep the muff from pushing on the levers.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i.p.phrealy wrote:
don't the hand guards keep your hands out of the wind anyway? I was going to buy some handguards as my fingers get REALLY cold on the bike, even in winter gloves.


Yes they deflect a lot of wind. But it then curls back over top/bottom.
So they are not the be all to end all in keeping your hands warm.

OP. Take the plastic off and leave the backbone in place and fits muffs over that.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what are the better muffs to use?
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Urban Rider website (https://www.urbanrider.co.uk/) you can chose muffs based on bike make/model fitment.

eg, for my er6f they recommend the "R361" @ £40
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
So what are the better muffs to use?


Brick Wall

Tucano Urbano Wink
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Whosthedaddy wrote:
So what are the better muffs to use?


Brick Wall

Tucano Urbano Wink


Well there are two basic types of TU - the textile furry ones and the neoprene ones. The textiles keep the switchgear on the inside, the neoprenes keep it on the outside.

Would be good if people recommending TU mention which type they have.

I have neoprene ones (361) on my SH300 scooter and they work well enough - I used longer bar end bolts and a couple of penny washers to keep them well stuck on, because the rubber cups on the inside don't stay on long on their own. Accessing the indicators / horn / start button is all fine, but accessing the main / dip beam is a bit of a stretch. If I were using muffs on my ER6, I think I'd go for the textile version.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 30 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point,

R361 Neoprene bar end ones.

Superb stuff, I've not had my cups fall off yet and have done ~1000 miles since fitting.
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