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Weed
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: 125's Reply with quote

Right, first and foremost, sorry because I'm almost certain something like this has been posted before...

Secondly, my dilemma..

My parents are moving 150miles away next July, and me being me (19 at that time) I have decided that I want to stay put. The idea was that I would do my tests early next year and get a 500cc, that's now out the window because I won't be able to afford to keep it.

I've been looking at 125's which once I've taken my test, will be able to handle motorway journey's.

I have about 3k to play with (as long as the bank are nice!!) and will have a 1 year old Honda SCV100 to trade in/sell.

Any advice would be great!

Thanks, sorry about the essay,

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PostPosted: 19:18 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should think for 125's on that budget it'd be the standard NSR125 or RS125 to be honest.

Alternatively, someone is bound to recommend a 4 stroke as a stop gap for £500 or so (CG125/ GS125/ SR125), costing £300 or so to insure probably, saving the rest for a bigger bike once you've done the test.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

are the nsr and rs 2 strokes?
what speed do they top out at?

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PostPosted: 19:37 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the NSR, RS are 2 strokes, derestricted people reckon on 100mph out of them, and they are beneath the 33bhp limit destricted too. (25-27 bhp or something like that)

There should be tonnes more people offering advice on this, this site was (is) a NSR125 site afterall.

Edit: actually the RS125 is supposed to produce 34bhp, which is as good as under the limit really.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS125 is definately a 2 stroke and I'm 99.9% sure the NSR is. When I bought the RS a guy in the place where I got it from said it'd do 120 but from reading the numerous 'what speed will my RS125 do?' posts on here that seems unlikely Rolling Eyes Probably expect about 100 max from both. What about considering a 250cc as well? (although myself I'd go for the RS as they are nice, and I'm biased cos I've got one Laughing )

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PostPosted: 19:47 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stu_666 wrote:
RS125 is definately a 2 stroke and I'm 99.9% sure the NSR is.


NSR is a two stroke Thumbs Up , Its a matter of personal preference really, but I'd go for an NSR cos I've got one Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i like the look of the RS125 Tuono, but the insurance is so damned expensive.

What about the Honda CBR125? Is that any cop?

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PostPosted: 19:58 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CBR125

It's a reasonably highly tuned four stroke, producing 70-75 mph tops. I think it comes in for a fair bit of stick on this forum. And they're expensive for what they are too imo (£2500 new, and not a lot of older ones around as they've only just been introduced.)

Personally (assuming I didn't just do the test and move on up), I would plump for the RS125, though like you say, the insurance will be a bitch. It will be for any 2 stroke for a young rider though.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CBR125, like all bikes, has its advantages.

Cheap to run i.e. insurance, petrol, maintenance etc

But IMO, its overpriced, underpowered and quite a nasty bike to look at. If your looking for something which will happily chug along for 150 miles, the CBR should do it quite nicely. I believe they do anything around 85mph indicated but more like 80mph at a push.

With that sort of money, you'll be able to get anything you want.

I'll be bias now, get an RS125, you know you want to! Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: 125's Reply with quote

Weed wrote:
The idea was that I would do my tests early next year and get a 500cc, that's now out the window because I won't be able to afford to keep it.


Why was this?

Insurance can be similar on the 500. They can be bought for a similar price, they may not look as pretty, but they will go better and be a nicer bike to ride on the motorway. Go for one with a fairing if possible.

Running a 125 will be more expensive; they are at a relatively high state of tune. If you say an NSR125 makes 25hp, that's 200hp a litre. A few years ago a F1 car only made a bit more than that!
The 500 will be about half that, so will generally be cheaper to run. You also don't need to get 2 stroke oil.

If you decide you really want a 125, pesonally I would go for a 94 or later model NSR. These can be got from around £1000 or so, will get up to an indicated 100mph, or a bit more if you're thinner than me probably Smile.

The CBR 125 will struggle to get past 70, so really isn't reccomended for motorways use.

Note that if you go for an older bike, insurance will be much cheaper.... Third party only insurance on a ten year old NSR, swapped it to a under a year old NSR and they wanted double my original premium on top... hassled them and they got it down to just what I initially paid. This was for exactly the same bike as far as they were concerned.

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PostPosted: 20:20 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason the 500 is out the window, is because now I am staying down here on my own, I will not have a great deal of money!

If I was to take my tests, what about the CBF250 or the Yamaha Dragstar?

Im basically looking for any (preferably new) bike, that will get me from home to work, but be able to get me to Cambridgeshire and back without knackering itself out in a year!
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weed wrote:

Im basically looking for any (preferably new) bike, that will get me from home to work, but be able to get me to Cambridgeshire and back without knackering itself out in a year!


I'm not a fan of new bikes, but 500s are cheap, second hand or new. If the CBF is the 250hornet I suspect it will cost more than the 500.

Personally, I would go for a 500 for something like £750-£1000. At this price you should still be getting a pretty reliable bike, you won't lose much money and you can always get another spare bike with the money left over if you're /that/ worried about it breaking down Smile.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing putting me off buying 2nd hand, is that I dont know enough about them to know what I'm looking at. Also, I wouldn't know what to look for (stolen/crashed etc)

Thats the only thing stopping me
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, I'm an advocate of 500's I got my er5 off ebay, less than 10,000 miles 3 years old, £300 worth of added bits, just been serviced for £1100......the insurance is going to be <£500.....and that was when I was quoted at 19.

Don't push the 500's away too quickly
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

But my guess is you know what your looking at..I don't have a clue! Embarassed Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure local forum members would be willing to provide their assistance when it comes to looking at bikes..

Have any friends who could go along with you?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been mentioned before, there's loads of people on here that would be happy to help... probably whether or not you are a slim young lady Smile.

Also, if you look around there's plenty of guides on which bits to look at. Think andy(nsr) did one and I've been meaning to do a checklist style thing as I seem to buy too many bikes Confused.

At the prices I'd reccomend you look at, even if you do get a dog, you still won't lose much money if you decide you want to sell it. Ride it for a bit, see what you think, and you've probably lost less money than the moment you push your new bike out of the shop Smile.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 29 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weed wrote:
But my guess is you know what your looking at..I don't have a clue! Embarassed Laughing Rolling Eyes


Ask away !!! Its a good way to get decent power balanced with reliability !!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been looking at the Hyosung 125Comet, looks a pretty decent bike, just wondering what the reliability was for Hyosung, and how easy it is to get parts etc?

Anyone got one of these? If so...whats it like?

Thanks,

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PostPosted: 12:15 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a GT125 and I reckon its brilliant,it goes quite well for a 4 stroke 125 and it really looks the part too and is a real head turner...if you get one ride past a group of bikers and you'll see what I mean! It is such a large bike that no one will believe its only a 125.

I've had mine about 6 months now and its done just over 3500kms and I've not had any real problems with it,the rear brake light switch needed adjustment as the brake light was on all the time which was an easy fix and it seemed to have a bit of a flatspot when accelerating away from a roundabout or turn but I think that maybe just the way the carbs are setup for emissions laws etc,they don't seem to like cheapy supermarket petrol,use a brand name like BP or Shell and it runs much better but I think thats the same for most bikes to be honest.

There are 3 of us here that I know of that has one and as far as I'm aware theres been no major problems as yet,the bike seems to be very well made and the V twin engine is just excellent and sounds lovely too,the rest of the bike is just as good and the best thing I reckon is the brakes,the nice big discs all round give great stopping power which comes in handy if you're a bit of a novice rider! Its lovely to ride too and handles very nicely.

Parts and service etc shouldn't be a problem providing you've got a dealer nearby,check out the main importers site and see if you are close to one.

www.bavanar.com

Also have a look at this thread for a few pics and other comments about the bike...you'll even see a pic of mine...wooo! Very Happy

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=34828


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PostPosted: 12:19 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at this thread about stuff to check when buying a bike. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 12:21 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Ste! Thumbs Up

Ade, Good to hear that they are reliable, I've got a dealer within driving distance! Thats good news! Insurance should be pretty good too if I get to 1yr NCB! £337 a year... Very Happy Thumbs Up

I think this might be the one to go for!
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A wise decision Wink

As for insurance I had a cheapy chinese copy of a CG125 before I got my Comet and that was actually dearer to insure than the Hyosung which considering it was almost £900 cheaper list price is quite unbelievable to be honest,I didn't complain though Smile
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: 125's Reply with quote

Note that I think that it would get /very/ annoying doing 150miles on a 4 stroke 125 (as this was what you mentioned initially).

Depending on the roads you take, I suspect you would be looking at easily an extra hour compared to other bikes.

People do do it, but I can't see many doing it regularly out of choice.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 31 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buying from a dealer doesn't mean that much really, if you try to get them to fix something under warrenty it's a shit load of hassle and if buying from a dealership it'd still be worth checking the same things on the bike as if buying privately, the main thing it means is higher prices.
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