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Red Devil
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Formula 1 Simulator anyone? Reply with quote

Nice and cheap...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2226172/The-90-000-Formula-1-simulator-indistinguishable-real-thing-actually-move.html
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a go in one of them at a works conference. My GOD it's difficult. I didn't come last though, much to the annoyance of a fair few male salesmen in the company. If you're not careful it WILL rip your arms out of the sockets, it's brutal.

EDIT: Oh and if you're a bit on the larger side, you won't even fit in the thing. Tight squeeze!
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if bank will let me buy this Thinking
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really want to have a go in one to see how I do! I am a machine on F1 2012 Cool do they use the game as the software or have the developed their own?
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove one a while ago here.

They are very good simulators with good, physical feedback, but they are certainly NOT indistinguishable from the real thing.... simple physics and laws of motion make that impossible.

When I drove them they were set in 'arcade' mode, which was still pretty real but, for example, had the force feedback torque on the steering turned down so that Joe Public and I didn't get hurt if/when we crashed.

I did manage to get within 107% of the lap record though. Cool
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
I really want to have a go in one to see how I do! I am a machine on F1 2012 Cool do they use the game as the software or have the developed their own?


It's NOTHING like a game, the one we used they actually use to train F1 drivers, it's totally unforgiving, one wrong move and you're off. It's (as far as I know) bespoke software, with every F1 track built in.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be a lot cheaper if they didn't spend so much on making the whole thing a carbon fibre composite with real F1 tyres and calipers/suspension for something that isn't going to move...

Bit stupid Rolling Eyes

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Although they will never grace the tarmac, they are fitted with Pirelli F1 tyres plus AP Racing or Brembo brake callipers.

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PostPosted: 15:33 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
I drove one a while ago here.

They are very good simulators with good, physical feedback, but they are certainly NOT indistinguishable from the real thing.... simple physics and laws of motion make that impossible.


That place looks pretty cool, where about is it?

Yeah of course, it would be very hard to recreate the actual G force levels you would experience.

yaigi wrote:
It's NOTHING like a game, the one we used they actually use to train F1 drivers, it's totally unforgiving, one wrong move and you're off. It's (as far as I know) bespoke software, with every F1 track built in.


Presumed so, I want one!

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Would be a lot cheaper if they didn't spend so much on making the whole thing a carbon fibre composite with real F1 tyres and calipers/suspension for something that isn't going to move...

Bit stupid Rolling Eyes

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Although they will never grace the tarmac, they are fitted with Pirelli F1 tyres plus AP Racing or Brembo brake callipers.


I thought that but it does make it a hell of a lot cooler…if you’re going to do it, why not do it properly? If you have that much money to spend on a simulator then I don’t think you would be fussed.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Would be a lot cheaper if they didn't spend so much on making the whole thing a carbon fibre composite with real F1 tyres and calipers/suspension for something that isn't going to move...

Bit stupid Rolling Eyes

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Although they will never grace the tarmac, they are fitted with Pirelli F1 tyres plus AP Racing or Brembo brake callipers.


I was thought that too, guessing here but could easily knock 5 grand off the price if you lost the race-grade shizzle on each corner; maybe even more?
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't look too different than what Psygnosis did in 1996.

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PostPosted: 15:52 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoted from the article.

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The simulator comes complete with a real F1 steering wheel, and a hidden PC allows it to run standard F1 racing computer games


It would appear its just a very expensive seat running your standard racing sim games on a high end PC.

You could build the rig yourself minus plastic body panels, tyres and brake calipers for about 87,000 quid less.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A logitech G25 (I have one) and a modified steering wheel would achieve the same thing pretty much, they have pretty strong force feedback when turned up. You could play a lot more games as well…
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

rumppole wrote:
Quoted from the article.

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The simulator comes complete with a real F1 steering wheel, and a hidden PC allows it to run standard F1 racing computer games


It would appear its just a very expensive seat running your standard racing sim games on a high end PC.

You could build the rig yourself minus plastic body panels, tyres and brake calipers for about 87,000 quid less.


I'd guess that it meant you can run standard cheapie games as well as the megabucks bespoke sim software.

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PostPosted: 16:05 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
A logitech G25 (I have one) and a modified steering wheel would achieve the same thing pretty much, they have pretty strong force feedback when turned up. You could play a lot more games as well…


Yep.

I bet a G27 is better than this.
Okay for an arcade game, nothing more. Will have bog standard games that barely take advantage of real physics.

They should have 2 games loaded onto them:
iRacer
Race-07/GTR Evolution

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PostPosted: 16:09 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
A logitech G25 (I have one) and a modified steering wheel would achieve the same thing pretty much, they have pretty strong force feedback when turned up. You could play a lot more games as well…


It does make you wonder why Boeing and Airbus bother with simulators when they could just use copies of Flight Simulator and force feedback joysticks doesn't it?

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PostPosted: 16:17 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

90 grand and it isn't full motion? What a rip off.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
I drove one a while ago here.

They are very good simulators with good, physical feedback, but they are certainly NOT indistinguishable from the real thing.... simple physics and laws of motion make that impossible.

When I drove them they were set in 'arcade' mode, which was still pretty real but, for example, had the force feedback torque on the steering turned down so that Joe Public and I didn't get hurt if/when we crashed.

I did manage to get within 107% of the lap record though. Cool


I went there last year, was 6 seconds a lap faster than everyone else, lapped them all in the race and beat the instructor's lap record.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overpriced shit. Great having some F1 car wheels in your front room, thats so worthwhile.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
weasley wrote:
I drove one a while ago here.

They are very good simulators with good, physical feedback, but they are certainly NOT indistinguishable from the real thing.... simple physics and laws of motion make that impossible.

When I drove them they were set in 'arcade' mode, which was still pretty real but, for example, had the force feedback torque on the steering turned down so that Joe Public and I didn't get hurt if/when we crashed.

I did manage to get within 107% of the lap record though. Cool


I went there last year, was 6 seconds a lap faster than everyone else, lapped them all in the race and beat the instructor's lap record.


I'll get Bernie Ecclestone on the phone!
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
weasley wrote:
I drove one a while ago here.

They are very good simulators with good, physical feedback, but they are certainly NOT indistinguishable from the real thing.... simple physics and laws of motion make that impossible.


That place looks pretty cool, where about is it?



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PostPosted: 19:36 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nothing like an F1 simulator used to train drivers*. Mind you they cost around £2,000,000 a pop and come complete with hydraulics to replicate G forces as closely as possible.

*Not that the primary use of an F1 simulator is to train drivers anyway. They're primarily a tool for the engineers to set up the mechanical and aero baselines for the car on each track. The driver is only 'in the loop' to give more naturalistic inputs and feedback.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
I'll get Bernie Ecclestone on the phone!


Don't bother, it was like an arcade game, not realistic at all Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 02 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather just take my real car, on a real track day. (or bike).

Never been into computer games mind you, don't own a single games console.


I have a life instead.






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PostPosted: 13:00 - 03 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove one at a Sydney motor show not too long ago.

I couldn't even keep in a straight line...
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 03 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
I'd rather just take my real car, on a real track day. (or bike).

Never been into computer games mind you, don't own a single games console.


I have a life instead.






Ben


I do a lot of track days now and I'm starting racing next year, doesn't mean I don't enjoy a blast on the xbox...Laughing
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