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 Recluso Brolly Dolly

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 Posted: 11:37 - 05 Nov 2012 Post subject: Bridgestone BT023 vs. Dunlop Roadsmart |
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Mornin' all.
This IS a bit of noob question, but it's the first time I've faced getting tyres changed so I'm in the deep end a bit (I have no mechanical brain )
Currently the Divvy has the standard BT021s it came with but as they are seriously starting to square off (the front in particular) and I have a service due, I realise that there's a very good chance they'll need replacing in the near future.
My manual has said that Bridgestone BT021 (BT023 now as it's replaced the 021) or Dunlop Roadsmart is the 'recommended' tyre to use. However, despite looking for reviews, I am unsure which may be the better tyre to consider to best suit my riding to get the best life out of them. Or if there's any difference.
Currently I do a fair chunk of motorway miles per week. Anywhere between 300 and 600+ which I appreciate is what has squared off my current tyres. I also use the bike all year round so something confidently sticky in the rain would likely also be helpful.
Does anyone have any experience with these two different tyres? Moreso, based on any experience, can anyone give a reasonable suggestion as to which, if applicable, would be better suited to my riding requirements?
All input appreciated as always
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Never heard a bad review of the 023 and the R6 I took out had those on, nothing but positive from me.
Roadsmarts seem to also get the same praise... especially from CaNsA and Tot, and neither "hang around"  |
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If you are going to be sticking mainly to motorways I'd go with 023, if you are going to be playing the lanes then roadsmarts.
I had roadsmarts fitted to a zzr that i thrashed the living daylights out of and they held on and lasted well.
Currently use 023 on pan euro and gsxr as they do mainly long haul with a bit of playing. ____________________ Nobby the Bastard: How yo tell the difference between the actual japanese and her just screaming because she's had live fish stuck up her arse? [url=https://www.nicks-shop.co.uk/bcf-goodies-15-c.aspGet BCF stickers and things here[/url] Reflective helmet stickers - Legal requirement in france - Clicky |
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 Posted: 12:11 - 05 Nov 2012 Post subject: |
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I'm a big fan of the 023.
I never had any 'moments' on them at all, very predictable tyre, with great feedback and grip in all conditions (apart from a wet trackday where they were not as good as I was expecting, but had nothing to compare them against in the same conditions so it might have been they were great compared to something else).
Since I replaced my rear with the pilot road 2, I've had a couple of big moments, one was a near high side pulling out of a junction in the wet which very nearly had me off and there have been a couple of other bits.
I'l be going back to the 023 when the rear is worn.
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8000 miles from a rear tyre . I so wish.
2500 on original Bridgestones on my busa. 3500 on my street triple r (Pirelli dragon corsa). I just hope my explorer tyre is gong to last a bit longer. (Metzler something or other) ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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I would never go back to Bridgestones since rocking a set of Dunny Roadsmarts.
I'm on my 2nd set now  |
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Where are people getting there 023's from and what are u paying  |
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Had Roadsmarts on a couple of different bikes now, incredible tyre in the wet and still very capable in the dry. Not ridden them myself but I believe one of the big race schools uses 023s as a wet tyre so they can't be half bad either. Just to mix it up some more, Pilot Road 3s have been my most recent vice and again, nothing but praise for them  ____________________ 2010 Triumph 1050 Sprint ST |
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About £150 for a rear, £110 for front fitted to the bike ____________________ Nobby the Bastard: How yo tell the difference between the actual japanese and her just screaming because she's had live fish stuck up her arse? [url=https://www.nicks-shop.co.uk/bcf-goodies-15-c.aspGet BCF stickers and things here[/url] Reflective helmet stickers - Legal requirement in france - Clicky |
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Had Road smarts, loved them in all weather. ____________________ Hit the G spot.  |
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My last set of 023's brand spanking new, fitted to wheels was £209. ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Whichever is cheapest.
Id have PR2/3's over either the Roadsmarts or 023's though.
Feel like a more sporty tyre than the rest, yet still give the mileage and wet weather grip.
Chances are anything new will feel better than a set of worn out tyres... ____________________ Suzuki GT250 x7------- Fazer 600------CB250RS------Aprilia Rally 70----- Bandit 600
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FWIW I wouldn't even get on a bike with a Dunlops on point blank refuse to ride it, I have had way too many moments on Dunlops which I have never had on any other make of tyre.
RS125 refusing to lean over
RS125 spinning rear tyre in second, which I didn't even think was possible
Duke refused to lean over
Duke ran me wide and almost into opposite kerb
Duke slipping out in the wet
Duke feeling like it just wants to fall from beneath my legs
BMW 5 series hit roundabout at speeds I would normally hit that roundabout out, back end just snapped out, didn't even do it when someone fitted Triangle Sports
BMW 3 series understeering and slipping on the front in the wet
List goes on and on, will never ever fit them to anything I own, will never ever ride a bike with them on, if I change my bike and the bike I buy is wearing Dunlops I will not ride it till the tyres were changed, couldn't care if they were brand new.
But that is just personal opinion, as seen here a lot of people have had great experiences on them and will happily use them, I would rather stick to Michellins or Goodyears when it comes to cars and bikes, sure Dunlops are good but I have had too many moments on various Dunlops to make me want to venture anywhere near them.
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| pits wrote: | FWIW I wouldn't even get on a bike with a Dunlops on point blank refuse to ride it, I have had way too many moments on Dunlops which I have never had on any other make of tyre.
RS125 refusing to lean over
RS125 spinning rear tyre in second, which I didn't even think was possible
Duke refused to lean over
Duke ran me wide and almost into opposite kerb
Duke slipping out in the wet
Duke feeling like it just wants to fall from beneath my legs
BMW 5 series hit roundabout at speeds I would normally hit that roundabout out, back end just snapped out, didn't even do it when someone fitted Triangle Sports
BMW 3 series understeering and slipping on the front in the wet
List goes on and on, will never ever fit them to anything I own, will never ever ride a bike with them on, if I change my bike and the bike I buy is wearing Dunlops I will not ride it till the tyres were changed, couldn't care if they were brand new. |
+1
My experience of Dunlops was on a ZX9R fitted with D207RRs...
eugh.
Personal highlights of that tyre:
Almost highsiding going round a 50mph sweeper on cold tyres.
Front trying to tuck on roundabouts in the wet.
Rear spinning up when pulling away in the cold / damp.
'Numb / remote' feeling from front end.
I've done thousands of miles on 023s and they really are superb. My only gripes are price and lack of mileage. I've recently switched to Maxxis Supermaxx diamonds (yes, yes, I know ) but believe me when I say they are almost as good as 023s and it was 2Deg. outside today and they felt great.
Cheaper too.  ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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Almost highsiding going round a 50mph sweeper on cold tyres.
Front trying to tuck on roundabouts in the wet.
Rear spinning up when pulling away in the cold / damp.
'Numb / remote' feeling from front end.
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I found the front end of my Duke would try and tuck on roundabouts, riding in the wet always felt like it wanted to go, the worst being where they ran me wide on a bend because they couldn't get heat in them, then tried to tuck on the next corner, I rode 11 miles home down really nice roads at 30mph because I just wanted off the bike, I wouldn't even bring myself to ride it, till I had new tyres fitted.
That was one of the biggest problems for me, getting heat in them, I found it had to be the hottest day of the year, and you need to be "on it" for ages before they even started to kick into life, when they kicked into life they were pretty good, but they just took too long to do so.
Again cold wet weather was just dreadful, on the V twin the rear would lock so easily in the wet going down gears, even "drifted" the Duke pulling out of somewhere.
To be honest I am scared that I may slip out and break a leg or ankle if I bought and wore a set of Dunlop Dappers
ETA: On another note, there are people out there who wont fit Avons to their bike, but Polar is happy to and finds them brilliant, tyres on bikes are a real personal preference, thing for me is you will find people who will say that Michellins or Bridgestone are ok tyres, but they prefer Dunlop or Avons (never used Avoins, using internet hearsay)
Then on the other had, you have people who bang on about how good Michellins or Bridgestone tyres are, and then will say that they will never ever use Dunlops or Avons
Really I think it is down to personal choice, you may love Dunlops Rec if you fit them, or you may be a person who hates them and has a year or so of riding with a lack of confidence, personally on a bike I stick with what I know ____________________ Stinkwheel: You have no right to free speech
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| pits wrote: |
ETA: On another note, there are people out there who wont fit Avons to their bike, but Polar is happy to and finds them brilliant, tyres on bikes are a real personal preference, thing for me is you will find people who will say that Michellins or Bridgestone are ok tyres, but they prefer Dunlop or Avons (never used Avoins, using internet hearsay)
Then on the other had, you have people who bang on about how good Michellins or Bridgestone tyres are, and then will say that they will never ever use Dunlops or Avons |
LOL true, personal preference etc, plus tyres have obviously moved on since 2004 (when I had my 9R) but it left a lasting impression...
Also I've tried Avons and found them pretty shocking too IME - though not as bad as the murderous 207s. I had the Avon Azaro AV46s on a ZXR750 H1..
Let's just say in the dry they were average but in the wet...
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