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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: October new registrations out Reply with quote

MCIA again.

Head spin time. Top #10 'manufacturers' are:

1,136 Honda
642 Yamaha
462 Piaggio
442 Triumph
338 Lexmoto
294 Harley-Davidson
278 Kawasaki
245 Peugeot
215 BMW
211 KTM

Suuuzuuuukiiiii! Where you at? Nowhere in August, #3 in September, now gone again. <dafuq.jpg>

Top sellers by "style" are mostly 125s, with the notable exception of 'custom' which is topped by the Harley-Davidson Sportster N 883. Weird to see so many Harleys being sold in October, although maybe it's Victory buyers looking for something that can survive a UK winter... Wink

Well, overall sales are up very slightly on last year, and encouragingly, sales continue their slight shift from 125s to 126-1000cc (although year-to-date it's still 125s up, everything else down).

Called it last year, still calling it: I can't see Suzuki UK (bikes) making it through winter 2012 in their current form.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda is raking it in compared to the others, what's so different about their business model? Just more 125s/scooters?
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrdelmonti wrote:
Honda is raking it in compared to the others, what's so different about their business model? Just more 125s/scooters?


Are they though? What are the margins on 125's and scooters compared with 'big' bikes.

Triumph, Harley, BMW and KTM don't make small cheap bikes so the figures are skewed when looking at it in terms of sheer numbers.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, it's a gross overview. It's the seasonal trends that interest me, really. Harley had an understandable surge in the spring, but I'd never have expected an autumn resurgence.

And Piaggio, well, what can you say about that? All those scooters being sold... dare I...? Teflon-Mike, Teflon-Mike, Te... no, I can't, I'm too scared. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
All those scooters being sold... dare I...? Teflon-Mike, Teflon-Mike, Te... no, I can't, I'm too scared. Very Happy


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PostPosted: 16:32 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
...And Piaggio, well, what can you say about that? All those scooters being sold...

Commuters, price of petrol, congestion charge, hike in train fares, car drivers can ride with just a CBT, a fair bit could be said about that.
Is it not the case Honda's figures include scooters too.
Yamaha makes a few scooters too, some of which appeal to a certain section of the population (burberry wearing I believe Wink)
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the Piaggio sales include their Aprilia, Derbi, Vespa, Gilera, etc. sales?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 08 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
Do the Piaggio sales include their Aprilia, Derbi, Vespa, Gilera, etc. sales?

I believe so, the best selling 126-650cc bike was the "Piaggo Vespa GTS 300".

Blimey, the best selling 125 was the Honda PCX 125 scooter.

Fuck it, I'm doing it.

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PostPosted: 13:20 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, that somewhat explains the Piaggio shop that's opened near me https://www.scooter-italiano.co.uk/
I was astonished when I saw it, but looking a the figures maybe not so much now.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Teflon-Mike!

Teflon-Mike!

Teflon-Mike!


No! Everyone knows you don't say his name 3 times, you have awoken the beast!
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: October new registrations out Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
MCIA again.

Suuuzuuuukiiiii! Where you at? Nowhere in August, #3 in September, now gone again. <dafuq.jpg>


Nowhere as they don't make a single good 125...

There is only one bike they make I like... the V-strom... Now if they made a 125 one of those...
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: October new registrations out Reply with quote

Hokum wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
MCIA again.
Suuuzuuuukiiiii! Where you at?...
Nowhere as they don't make a single good 125...
the V-strom... Now if they made a 125 one of those...

Thinking so a Suzi take on the Varadero 125. I'd go with that. Oh, wait, what about build quality? On second thoughts... Wink

On sort of topic I know Honda has different production plants around the world, Mexico, Brazil, Spain to name a few plus tie-ins with Indian bike makers. Does anyone know if any of the other bike makers have such a diverse production capability?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: October new registrations out Reply with quote

map wrote:
Thinking so a Suzi take on the Varadero 125. I'd go with that. Oh, wait, what about build quality? On second thoughts... Wink

Verydearos are so named because they cost £4,500. I expect there's a magic number less than 4500 where the quality starts to become less of an issue. Wink

I suspect that that Suzuki's shock #3 spot in September was down to deals on the V-Strom. It was the best selling 126-650 bike, they'd discounted it (again), were offering 3 years warranty (now withdrawn), and are pitching it with all sorts of different "packs" to try and appeal to as many users as possible.

map wrote:
On sort of topic I know Honda has different production plants around the world, Mexico, Brazil, Spain to name a few plus tie-ins with Indian bike makers. Does anyone know if any of the other bike makers have such a diverse production capability?

Dunno. On rumour and anecdote, Kawasaki are the worst off for trying to stay Japanese based.

Suzuki are closing their Spanish bike factory, and Suzuki US cars are bankrupt, so it's really not looking too clever for them.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: October new registrations out Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Suzuki are closing their Spanish bike factory, and Suzuki US cars are bankrupt, so it's really not looking too clever for them.


Fuckin' good thing if the quality that my wifes 650SA was anything to go by. The finish was dire.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexmoto number 5!
They're doing well, it appears when a Chinese manufacturer behaves like a proper bike maker and has a dealer network they sell well.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i.p.phrealy wrote:
Lexmoto number 5!
They're doing well, it appears when a Chinese manufacturer behaves like a proper bike maker and has a dealer network they sell well.


Sorry, they sell well because they are cheap and people don't know better or care.

Wait till they try and sell 'expensive' chines bikes like that 650 yambabe posted about. Ask her how many they have sold.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki need to get their fucking act together.

Go on their homepage and they list dozens of 'current' models of bike, all with their own tooling, staff, training, parts etc.

If they had any sense they would seriously shrink their product line, focus on 5-10 hand-picked models and really refine the quality.
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PostPosted: 03:19 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkish wrote:
Suzuki need to get their fucking act together.

Go on their homepage and they list dozens of 'current' models of bike, all with their own tooling, staff, training, parts etc.

If they had any sense they would seriously shrink their product line, focus on 5-10 hand-picked models and really refine the quality.


I've said it before...

All they need is a 125 super sports and scooter with the letters gsxr and/or hayabusa scrawled on them. Why the hell do they not realise that and instead have 3 bikes for every other category?
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of said it before...

i.p.phrealy wrote:
Lexmoto number 5!
They're doing well, it appears when a Chinese manufacturer behaves like a proper bike maker and has a dealer network they sell well.

Lexmoto are an importer, not a manufacturer. They sell bikes from many different manufacturer, most of which you could or can buy elsewhere with a different badge.

100% agree that Suzuki's UK model range is just crazy. No commuter or "sports" 125, overlaps in every other category.

OK, Suzuki dealers seem to fill the gap by selling Ching Chong 125s, but that's just tarnishing Suzuki's value.
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