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PostPosted: 11:05 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: 33 bhp and bike shops Reply with quote

Why do bike shops still get away with quoting ridiculous prices for restrictors.

I think the general biking public is becoming more aware that you don't need FI restrictors nor a cert. but most bike shops are ripping off the uneducated new biker!

Basically need to get some restrictors for my CB500*, called a bike shop in london and was quoted £265 for restrictors and fitting!
Because "We obviously need to fit them ourselves and sign all certification".

A piss take considering a full kit can be bought for £40 from David Silver Spares! lol
If that was your only access to info why would you disbelieve them.

But if the restrictors from FI cost the highest price, the bike shops dont gain that much from using them, why dont they suggest cheaper ones?




* p.s. Anyone selling some used cb500 restrictors?
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: 33 bhp and bike shops Reply with quote

open wrote:
Why do bike shops still get away with quoting ridiculous prices for restrictors.


Because they can.

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PostPosted: 11:25 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: 33 bhp and bike shops Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
open wrote:
Why do bike shops still get away with quoting ridiculous prices for restrictors.


Because they can.

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Same as we pay a bloody fortune for mobile phones, fuel and 'Why-Pads'.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure you don't fall for it. You can usually buy the washer type kits on ebay and fit them yourself without too much trouble.

The if need be, just get a dyno for proof of restriction.

My total cost of restriction for my XJ6 was £65 including fitting. And I even got a little certificate from the dealer too Very Happy

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not 'getting away' with charging anything. It's a free market, they can charge what they want, no one is forcing you to use them.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look up Kickstart Engineering up eBay, got my GS500 restrictors from there. They were like £40 and a piece of piss to fit.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try £2 for a pack of "repair washers" from B&Q, then drill 20mm holes in them.

The ones from FI or eBay don't come with magic holes.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Try £2 for a pack of "repair washers" from B&Q, then drill 20mm holes in them.

The ones from FI or eBay don't come with magic holes.


+1

Although I found b&q to be a bit crap for big washers so got mine from Wickes.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, quite. I "promote" B&Q only as the lesser of two (or three) evils. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW there's this old thread on CB500 restriction (clicky link).

There's part numbers and stuff that may be of interest.

Also IIRC stinkwheel may have the sizes of the washers/holes required. Found it from here. Inlet restricted to 19mm diameter, main jet size 125.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to one shop and was quoted around £200, this was because it was done through this 'official' site apparantly which is supposed to give you the 'official' certification, which to be fair is a shitload of bollocks because you could have a piece of paper saying 'this bike is 33bhp' and it wouldnt make a difference, the dealer where i bought my bike from got the restrictor kit elsewhere for around £50 and fitted free of charge and I have a cert under 'kickstart engineering'
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

scarborough_lad wrote:
Look up Kickstart Engineering up eBay, got my GS500 restrictors from there. They were like £40 and a piece of piss to fit.


Ditto, but for the ER-5

£20 to fit them at the garage to keep the insurers happy (They were being dicks and wanting dyno print outs and everything if I fitted them myself)

Got a local garage to do it with a signed letter head also stating on the receipt "Restriction Plates installed and working correctly"
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GS-500-GS500-Restrictor-Kit-33-BHP-25kw-certificate-/321016624984?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4abe14f758

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PostPosted: 08:45 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered the one s from David Silvers for £40 inc. postage and tax.
I could have waited for cheaper ones to turn up but I wanted them soon as possible really.


1 x 16211MY5710 - INSULATOR.CARB RH *D (£8.17) - £8.17
2 x 991014431250 - JET.MAIN #125 *M (£5.84) - £11.68
1 x 16221MY5710 - INSULATOR.CARB LH *D (£8.17) - £8.17

But on topic, I was annoyed that bike shops always use FI when there are legitimate alternatives...Do they bellieve the lies or do they just not care?
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just do it the easy way and don't bother restricting it at all Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

open wrote:
But on topic, I was annoyed that bike shops always use FI when there are legitimate alternatives...Do they bellieve the lies or do they just not care?


Being fair, not many. How many Honda dealers (let alone independent bike shops) know about the Honda restricted inlets for the CB500, let alone any other random kits for all the other bikes floating around.

Beyond that they are into fiddling around and doing it themselves. From one guy I know who easily has the skills and equipment to make and dyno test restrictor washers, his view is just pay the money for an FI one as it is cheaper than his time machining up washers and fitting / refitting them a load of times while dynoing them to check the power output.

As to FI, while they do have a nice little earner going on their I suspect their prices are affected by German TUV testing and German rules for acceptable restrictor kits.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:36 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always the Germans' fault, isn't it, Keith? Tut Tut

Incidentally, given the risible terms of use of their website, I'd be astonished if FI kits come with a warranty that they do restrict to 25kW rather than an attempted disclaimer that they don't.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

matto wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Try £2 for a pack of "repair washers" from B&Q, then drill 20mm holes in them.

The ones from FI or eBay don't come with magic holes.


+1

Although I found b&q to be a bit crap for big washers so got mine from Wickes.


Toolstation or Screwfix? Might have to buy in bulk though
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's always the Germans' fault, isn't it, Keith? Tut Tut


More that they are designed for the German market and so have to be tested (with all the costs that entails) for German homologation. Then just sold on to people who can be persuaded to pay that kind of money even without the need for the homologation papers. The kickstart ones (no relation!) are legally just as good in the UK (assuming they are properly checked).

Rogerborg wrote:
Incidentally, given the risible terms of use of their website, I'd be astonished if FI kits come with a warranty that they do restrict to 25kW rather than an attempted disclaimer that they don't.


Quite possible. And to be honest entirely possible that even with the restrictors a bike could be persuaded with a few mods over the power limit.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:32 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Pm'd you a photo of said washers a few days ago, all you needed to do was print it out and match up some 20p washers from Wickes.

God knows why you spent £40...!
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate the idea of paying any money to make my bike less powerful haha
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