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Dan1
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: 94 Honda vfr750 starting problems Reply with quote

Hi all im new to the forum and looking for a bit of help. I ve been tasked to get a friends vfr750 started after being sat and not even attempted to start for 7 yes seven years!!!!!!!
There was no ignition at all but after a quick fiddle got that sorted. Moved on to seeing if it would start which it coughed and spluttered a bit and ran for a split second but was spewing fuel from the carb overflow so i aborted. i took the carb bank off and cleaned it all up in a dedicated parts washer with proper cleaning solution and checked the jets where all clear. 3 of the floats where jammed and most of the jets where clogged which i thoroughly cleaned and ensured where free moving etc. I removed the fuel tank and dumped the old stuff, cleaned the tank out with an industrial pressure washer and soaked the pickup in degreaser as it looked like a solid pipe it was that bad!!! Now it looks brand new and nice and clear. Fitted new fuel pipe and filter. I put it all back on the bike and filled with new fuel and attempted a start. First tho i flushed the pump into a bucket and the pump was pushing well. Placed the fuel pipe on the carbs and fired it up............ or not!!!!
No roar! It just wont fire up. Checked spark at the two rear most plugs which was fine, plugs where a bit wet with oil/fuel but it was sparking. When i crank the bike with no choke then choke it as it turns i can hear the change in engine note as i take it fuel enters the chambers. Again tho no roar!! There is fuel in the float bowls of all 4. Could it be the battery? I have it hooked up to a charger as it drains quick and i give it 10 mins to charge then attempt a crank which i get a decent rate of turnover but then drops off quick so need to let it charge again. If i pour a bit of fuel in each carb flute and crank it it fires and runs for a few seconds then stops. Any ideas as im baffled??? Can the carbs airlock?? Every now and then the bike splutters a bit but doesnt carry on.
Cheers all.

Dan
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First thing is to get a new battery. It will be fucked after standing for seven years.

Eliminate obvious sources of problems and you will eventually find whats wrong and the battery is one such source.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi mate sorry I should have said. The battery is brand new but has taken a battering trying to start it the last few weeks. I'm wondering if it just needs time to draw fuel through then it may start but the battery can't hack a constant turnover.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: 94 Honda vfr750 starting problems Reply with quote

Dan1 wrote:
If i pour a bit of fuel in each carb flute and crank it it fires and runs for a few seconds then stops. Any ideas as im baffled??? Can the carbs airlock?? Every now and then the bike splutters a bit but doesnt carry on.
Cheers all.

Dan


What the hell is a carb flute? Have you double checked the float levels in the carbs, because if it will run for a couple of seconds it doesn't sound like anything too fundamental.

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PostPosted: 14:02 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: 94 Honda vfr750 starting problems Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
Dan1 wrote:
If i pour a bit of fuel in each carb flute and crank it it fires and runs for a few seconds then stops. Any ideas as im baffled??? Can the carbs airlock?? Every now and then the bike splutters a bit but doesnt carry on.
Cheers all.

Dan


What the hell is a carb flute? Have you double checked the float levels in the carbs, because if it will run for a couple of seconds it doesn't sound like anything too fundamental.

Zen Dog

Hi mate, not too up on the absolute text book terms for parts but what i refer to as the flutes are the pipes on top of each carb that enter the air box. I havnt checked the levels but i have checked there is fuel in the float chambers.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I think I know what you mean.

If theres definately fuel in the float bowl, and the engine runs briefly if you pour some petrol into the carb down the airbox tube (interesting technique btw!), I can only logically conclude (and probably completely wrongly), that the problem is somewhere between the two. So needles?

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PostPosted: 14:54 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cheers mate. I'm getting the bike delivered to me as travel distance to it and back is a ball ache! I'll whip the carbs back off and have another look inside.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why was it laid up for 7 years? Have you asked your mate why he stopped using it...
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your fuel pump pumping fuel?
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh. Another thing.

If it fires up, strenuously resist the temptation to touch the throttle or it'll die immediately. If they've been sat a long time, they usually fire up on one cylinder, the other three kick in one at a time. If you open the throttle before it's running on all four, it'll cut out.

Only once all four are firing on full choke and the revs have risen to 2,500-3,000rpm should you start to give it some throttle.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
Why was it laid up for 7 years? Have you asked your mate why he stopped using it...

Family and work life got very busy so he just didn't renew tax or anything so couldn't ride it if wanted. It was defo running before this.

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PostPosted: 18:14 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Is your fuel pump pumping fuel?

Yeah fuel pump is pumping well when I take fuel pipe off carb.

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