20mph zones in London....

[gorillaonabik...]

Is anyone else surprised at the sudden proliferation of the 20mph zones in NW London? It is not the 20mph zones, rather it is the choice of roads which surprises me.

I am talking about roads where if I slow down to 20mph then I find myself being tailgated dangerously close by the car behind me and I was even passed by a bicycle outside Belsize Park tube.

Clearly I have no issue about slowing down below 20mph for areas where there are schools and in some school run roads in London, anything over 10mph is lethal at the wrong times of the day. However, I am surprised I am slowing to speeds in certain areas where 30mph seems perfectly reasonable.

Is anyone else surprised by this or is it just me?
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[SQL]

I generally break the 30 limit on my push bike, 20 is just retarded ...

maybe they need to have it enforced via time i.e. between the hours of 8am and 10am and 2pm and 4pm its a 20 zone.

could work..

[barrkel]

Only time I've seen any serious attention paid to 20 limits (as opposed to conditions on the road, e.g. with kids etc. at school open / close times) is (1) learners and (2) people in front of police cars.
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[gorillaonabik...]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/8038821/20mph-limit-has-not-made-roads-safer.html

20mph limits equate to more accidents if the Torygraph is to be believed.

However, I was stunned to come across so many in London.
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[bikertomm]

One near where I work which is so ridiculous I could cry.

There's a speed camera just as you go down a dip and it changes to 20 just before the dip. Wonder why

No hazards / schools / kittens or anything in the area.

I make a habit of bouncing off the rev limiter after the speed camera. Every day.

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[barrkel]

[bikertomm]

Yeah there is a junction. But there's a junction every 50 metres along that road..


And get this, In my opinion the speed camera actually makes it more unsafe - because you are going at what feels and looks like walking pace, people assume you are letting them pull out!

I've witnessed this 10+ times!

So stupid.


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[gorillaonabik...]

That's happening around Hampstead. 20mph equates to more pedestrians hopping out in front of my bike at the last minute or cars turning across me.

Don't get me wrong - in the backroads, I slow down because of masses of parked cars, kids running out etc... but the main highroad is a ridiculous place to put a 20mph sign especially as I end up with a car up the chuff of my 1300cc bike.

What is interesting is that accidents in Peterborough's trial 20mph zones increased (according to the details in the Torygraph in the earlier link). I can understand why, now.
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[Rogerborg]

Do it on one wheel? As long as you don't break the posted speed limit, I'm sure that's safe.

You might want to check whether all those limits are enforceable: is there a traffic order, was there a consultation, was it published in a gazette? If not, ramming speeeed.
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[illuminateTHE...]

Forgot to note the unmarked 20mph zones
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[gorillaonabik...]

More importantly, how do we change all of this back to the way it was? Can you imagine getting 3 points for doing 25 mph in a High Street?????
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[hellkat]

I've not noticed any round my neck of the woods - other than the one on Tower Bridge - and I rarely go that way.

If there are any, I'm breaking the limit regularly (but probably not by much )
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[Joncrete Cungle]

We have had loads of ill thought out 20mph zones farted out by LCC all over the place. As the number of traffic officers has halved out ere in the shires I ignore 99% of the 20 mph zones, there is no one out to 'enforce' them when I am going to or returning from work.