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PostPosted: 21:06 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Pushbike Vloggers on BBC 1 now... Reply with quote

It seems a mix of genuine bad driving causing accidents and a heavy dose of adenoidal Vloggers who think they are robocop cos they have a helmet cam....
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some basic road craft wouldn't go a miss. If a vehicle is comiing on you then you do the basics of slow down to give room, even if the other guy is in the wrong, slow down. Cyclists seem to think that they do not need to slow down once they have got up to speed.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some basic road craft wouldn't go a miss. If a vehicle is comiing on you then you do the basics of slow down to give room, even if the other guy is in the wrong, slow down. Cyclists seem to think that they do not need to slow down once they have got up to speed.



Indeed, the last chap did seem to be making a point of being a dick rather than slowing down for three nanoseconds...
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the accidents could have been prevented just by doing basic hazard awareness / perception or by going at a speed that you are able to stop at in a given distance. Most cyclists just don't know how long it takes to stop or judge the hazards correctly.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cyclists really do annoy me 80% of the time and I know we should relate with them but at least we have had training! Some of them have got it coming with the crazy stuff they pull, very up themselves! They can get away with a lot more things too cos of no plates etc definitely a 2 sided story
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a cyclist, I dread actually using the road because of the constant fear of being hit by a car driver. I admit some of these lot are pillocks but most of them are doing right by the highway code.

I hate how car drivers believe they deserve the entire road to themselves, i've even bollocked my Girlfriend for raging at cyclists. Everyone has the right to use the road imo so i wish car drivers would wake up and smell the coffee.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I follow most of these guys on YouTube. Gaz hasn't come across very well so far I have to say. At half time, I reckon the cyclists are looking worst at the mo.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

whenever I see these vlogging things from cyclists it seems that they would rather get themselves and keep themselves in a place of danger in order to prove their point of how they are right and how bad car drivers are.

Sure, we know car drivers can be bad, but really? Is it worth putting yourself in that extra bit of danger so you can have a rant about it?

I don't get it. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The black guy who gives out cards needs top follow a few basic rules himself..

As for banging on vehicles, I'm sure that's an offence in itself.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well do they deserve to be on the road? No Insurance yet they could easily crash into a brand new bike because they jumped a red light costing the poor bloke thousands In repairs, so I believe they should have insurance to pay out and a license to be punished on, plates Aswell? Suppose the flip side is people couldn't just jump on a bike anymore and would be a lot of hassle, and where would you stop? Horses? I don't know but I'd be pissed if they cost me money cos of their dickness
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing bothers me on the road, not horses, not cyclist, not people walking or dogs crossing, what pisses me off is car drivers and their utter self titled importance to be there due to what you listed, Tax, MOT and insurance, I couldn't give a fuck, The government says they're not allowed on the path so they need to use the road.

Deal with it.

If that program was about bikers getting run down by car and van drivers the opinion would be a bit different. I used to own bikes and pay out my nose from all sorts of shit, i've had cyclists come at me but through simple hazard perception I was able to avoid accidents.

Pulling wheelies and doing triple figures how ever... Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Well do they deserve to be on the road?

Do motor vehicles deserve to be on the road? They were invented after cycles, they pollute, congest, kill, and cause billions to flow out of our economy to oil producing nations. If all that money we sent abroad had been spent on public transport instead of burnt, we could have a pretty phenomenal way to get around by now couldn't we!

Don't hold your breath for cyclists being made to pay, it would be a step in the opposite direction to where the Government wants to be, they want more people on pushbikes, not less. Best to accept that yes, they have just as much right to be on the road as you do, because the law says they do.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Well do they deserve to be on the road? No Insurance yet they could easily crash into a brand new bike because they jumped a red light costing the poor bloke thousands In repairs, so I believe they should have insurance to pay out and a license to be punished on, plates Aswell? Suppose the flip side is people couldn't just jump on a bike anymore and would be a lot of hassle, and where would you stop? Horses? I don't know but I'd be pissed if they cost me money cos of their dickness


I'd be fairly confident about recovering those costs by taking the cyclist to court if you could prove that the accident was their fault. The difference is they would have to pay out of their own pocket not the insurer's pocket.

Also, I'm fairly sure that you can get bicycle insurance to cover your for road use and cover you encase your example does actually happen. The difference is that it isn't compulsory.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
whenever I see these vlogging things from cyclists it seems that they would rather get themselves and keep themselves in a place of danger in order to prove their point of how they are right and how bad car drivers are.

Sure, we know car drivers can be bad, but really? Is it worth putting yourself in that extra bit of danger so you can have a rant about it?

I don't get it. Confused

Not at all like motorcyclists then?
There are good and bad cyclists, drivers, bikers. I ride or drive all three, in the car I rant at inconsiderate twats on bike and cycles, on the push bike I rant at inconsiderate twats in cars and on bikes etc etc. It will always happen, get over it. Vloggers with a chip on their shoulder are delusional.

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PostPosted: 23:47 - 05 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
No Insurance yet they could easily crash into a brand new bike because they jumped a red light costing the poor bloke thousands In repairs


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Do motor vehicles deserve to be on the road? They were invented after cycles, they pollute, congest, kill, and cause billions to flow out of our economy to oil producing nations.


They don't deserve anything, they were intended to be there.
The road network has been developed for cars and other motorised forms of transport, bike lanes were simply added much later on as an after thought.
More and more people are using bicycles in heavy traffic routes and why not? They are cheap, easily maintainable and offers alot of flexibility with use. However they struggle to exist amongst motor transport because the road network was developed for high levels of motor transport, the cyclist are squeezed out, literally.
The roads were not designed to be shared this way IMO. However alot of them conveniently cater for both.
Because bicycle's don't have insurance, whenever they have a accident nothing is logged. What am I getting at?
I believe that if this was investigated you will find a trend of roads where bicycles have more incidents, like accident black spots. These will be high traffic narrow roads, likely with traffic lights where drivers get inpatient.
Armed with this information, road improvements (bike lanes etc) could be made to cater for the growing number of cyclists ... but this wont happen.
Given the flexibility of a cyclist, during certain time periods mandatory no ride routes could be introduced where cyclist can walk the bike through the road via pavement (easy to spray up the pavement) or simply take another route. Hell they could even walk it on the pavement up to the traffic lights then get back onto the road in the cyclist box at the start of the lights Rolling Eyes
These are all half assed idea's from someone who does not ride a bike, let alot live in a heavily urbanised area.
Making cyclist obey the highway code would also go along way to improving their safety / survival rating.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Push bikes are great fun but shouldn't be allowed on the roads. Like old people. And scooters.
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no issues with cyclists being on the roads providing they do it in a safe manor.

Through motorbiking, for over 9 years now (On the road), I have learnt a lot through experience.


Cyclists have a very similar view, to the narrow minded people (generally friends who do not ride), who say things like "Oooh, I dont know how you feel safe on your motorbike, you see, it's not you... It's all the other idiots".


Erm, FUCK OFF!

It IS you! It's down to you, as a motorcyclist, to ensure your own safety while riding on the roads. I agree, no other cunt gives a fuck, and you shouldn't expect them to either!


Same goes for cyclists. Look out for yourself.

You need eyes in your arsehole on a motorbike in London. Bicycles are no different.
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PostPosted: 06:33 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one thing that stood out was when the sweaty who nearly got taken out by the tanker on the roundabout. He said "I pressumed he had seen me!" now is that not the most fuck witted statement you can make? You are responsible for your own safety so dont leave it to others.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That twat with the glasses last night got me. Seemed proud that he was riding in the middle of the road, sometimes in the middle lane on a 3 lane road and claimed he should be there as he can ride at 30mph.

There was a video of him banging the side of a taxi and the taxi driver pulled in and had a go at him. I noticed that the cyclist was not in the designated cycle lane and not once did that taxi enter that cycle lane so there was no reason for that twat to bash on the car.

"If I can touch your car then your too close."

Bollocks, if you can touch my car then you need to move into the cycle lane. TWAT!

Dont even get me started on those muppets that race through London with no regard for their own safety or the consequences they leave behind when someone kills them to death.

For the most part cyclists are ok. When they obey the same laws of the road as motor vehicles have to but some seem to think that because they do not have an engine they are above the road laws.

That dude that was squished between the pick up and bus deserved that and I hope the muppet was seriously injured.

I think that if you want to be a cyclist on the roads then you should be subject to the same punishment. Jump a red light have a £60 fine. Ride on the pavement when theres a cycle lane another fine, riding dangerously a court case and hefty fine. Putting others at risk, another fine.

As for those Vloggers on Youtube, most of them are just antagonistic twats. That black dude was antagonising the van driver after he had already had a go at him. Watching that last night I reckon 75% of the accidents were because of the cyclists not paying attention to their surroundings and poor obs. That guy that almost got twatted on the roundabout by the HGV was riding too fast and all over the road. Could have been avoided.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
kills them to death.

That's the worse kind of killing.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyclists did`nt come out of that programme to well did they?

They certainly seem to be thier worst enemy a lot of the time.
I wish we could have more cyclists on the roads and a few less cars.
However, it seem both parties need some serious education regarding how the other one operates.

I`ve spent a lot of time in Cambridge (supposedly cycle friendly place) where there are a whole lot more bikes than average.
You could easily spend half your driving time there getting out of your car and smacking cyclists in the chops Sad .
No I am not going to smack any cyclist in the chops, mainly because I dont want to be assosiated? with thugs like some of those drivers in that programme.
They (most Cambridge cyclists) do themselves no favours with the way they make thier way through the city.

I really dont think cyclist understand what dangers they are putting themselves in.
The other side of the coin is just how ignorant and deeply selfish and un-caring a large number of drivers are.

Mr Pinky was saying about how some cyclists need to slow down for a nano-second to keep themselves out of danger and he is right.
However that works both ways , sometime all we need to do is ease of the throttle for a split second and the cyclist will be gone and no longer a problem/hazard.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

robs321 wrote:
who nearly got taken out by the tanker on the roundabout.

The thing that struck me was that he was in a very silly position in the first place - he was taking the 'racing line' over the roundabout.

Unless it's absolutely, definitely clear, I'll try and stick to the outside lane, or at least the most outside but one lane that people aren't going to cut me up in.
So if there's a turn left lane, I'll probably go in the middle of that to go straight on - but quite possibly use a right turn arm single to make it clear I'm not turning left.

I hope you obey all the speed limits pinky, rather than picking and choosing which laws you consider it ok to get away with Smile.

I have no problem with cyclists going through red lights when it is safe to do so. At an empty junction with no traffic, I suspect most of us would if we knew we wouldn't get done - especially if it was a case that we actually needed a fair bit of physical effort to accelerate, rather than a twist of the wrist/press of the foot.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
whenever I see these vlogging things from cyclists it seems that they would rather get themselves and keep themselves in a place of danger in order to prove their point of how they are right and how bad car drivers are.

Sure, we know car drivers can be bad, but really? Is it worth putting yourself in that extra bit of danger so you can have a rant about it?

I don't get it. Confused



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PostPosted: 11:17 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well this morning I had four cyclists trying to kill themselves under my wheels. One even did a SMIDSY from a side road into the main road that I was on, I was in a car by the way. None of them did any life savers, none of them kept any form of lane discipline. I then had one almost knock me over in a pedestrianised area, good job I do life savers even when I'm walking.
This has been all in a five mile little run to drop my lad off at college and to nip to the bank.
Basic road craft, basic first aid and learning how to swim should be taught to ALL children from the age of 5yrswhen they start school to when they leave school. Perhaps that two hour lesson each week may save Billions of pounds every year.
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