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PostPosted: 15:35 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Just had the police at my door.... Reply with quote

...and they very kindly gave me one of these for free:

https://www.selectadna.co.uk/forensic-coding-domestic-kits.html

There's been a spate of burglaries in the village recently (I wouldn't like to stereotype, but a gambling man would probably say it's a pretty sure bet that it probably has something to do with the Pikeys just up the road), and whilst the coppers have clearly not managed to catch the perpetrators, it's nice to see they're actually doing something relatively positive.

To their credit, they have sent out a number of updates and advise leaflets, and have made a number of local visits. Whilst they can't prevent the burglaries from taking place (not without having a team of coppers stationed in every home in the village on a full-time basis), they are taking steps to see that any nicked gear can't be fenced so easily.

Anyone have any experience of these forensic marking kits? Perhaps you had some property stolen and it got returned as a consequence, or perhaps you're a tea-leaf/fence who got his collar felt as a result?

I'm going to make use of it anyway (and put up the accompanying warning stickers), but just wondered what the general thoughts on it was....

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PostPosted: 15:45 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They gave you a UV light. I am so jealous Sad
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it.... how does it work?

I got a UV reactive pen off the police once. I used it to paint my face up and draw squiggly things all over my arms at raves Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
They gave you a UV light. I am so jealous Sad
I have most stuff marked-up and until last month couldn't read what I'd written.
UV energy saving bulb. Dead smart. Cool (Does show up the lack of dusting tho)
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 06 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
I don't get it.... how does it work?



You get given a phial of the solution.

The solution contains some small micro-dot thingies which are uniquely referenced to your property details.

You paint the solution into nooks and crannies on your nickable stuff.

If said stuff gets nicked (and recovered), the coppers can trace exactly who it belongs to.

It supposedly then acts as a deterrent to it being nicked, because if a toe-rag is found in possession of it, it can be easily flagged up as nicked stuff, nicked stuff which previously belonged to a specific and traceable person.

I didn't actually get a UV light in my kit (I guess because it was a freebie in a bag rather than a purchased kit), but that doesn't matter really - it's not that you need to see to write your name or anything, you just need to paint a bit of the solution on (typically in a place where it can't be scratched off easily, hence the nooks and crannies bit).
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PostPosted: 02:03 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copper - "Hi, we know who the crims are, but havent got the resource to do anything about it (nor is there political will to even if we did).

Dont feel let down, please have a vial of magic potion.

We probably dont have the resources nor will to go and look for nicked stuff but if we ever fall over it somewhere you might get it back.....


Better go I have to catch 50 speeders today..."





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Its pretty good of them to come round and say hello, I think just by letting people know they are about makes people feel a bit happier that they are trying to do something about it.
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How durable is UV paint anyway? I'm fairly certain one of my mates drew a bunch of cocks on my bike fairings with a UV pen a few months ago, but got no way to find out.... Since then i's been through rain, mud and pressurewasher so I wonder if whatever he drew is still visible...?
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
How durable is UV paint anyway? I'm fairly certain one of my mates drew a bunch of cocks on my bike fairings with a UV pen a few months ago, but got no way to find out.... Since then i's been through rain, mud and pressurewasher so I wonder if whatever he drew is still visible...?

Nope, it's still there and will never go.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
How durable is UV paint anyway? I'm fairly certain one of my mates drew a bunch of cocks on my bike fairings with a UV pen a few months ago, but got no way to find out.... Since then i's been through rain, mud and pressurewasher so I wonder if whatever he drew is still visible...?


Just imagine a black marker pen... some inks are virtually impossible to remove, some come off with a little rub of your finger. It really depends on what type of ink was in the uv pen, not the colour. So, maybe.

Some people can see a bit of uv so ask everyone if they can see what's drawn on it. Even those who can see can't see it well so they'll have to get up close.

Other option is most cameras will pick it up a bit - use the flash and low lighting.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you just not spunk all over your bike to DNA mark it?
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good thing. My local police did this too. I've marked up all the electronic stuff, motorbike and bicycles with it.

The police get fed up raiding some scumbags house, finding a pile of DVD players in the corner and can do nothing about it because they can't prove they have been stolen.

Find one marked with microdots and it PROVES who it belongs to in a legally admissable way.

That said, the UV stuff with the microdots is not as inconspicuous as they like to make out. You can clearly see where it's been put.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure most my belongings are covered in my semen anyway, so this is pretty unnecessary
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh ok, I get it now. I guess it would be quite good for knowing if you have bought stolen goods off ebay as well. Shame there's no way of getting your money back if you fall victim to that though.

EDIT: Actually, what if you wanted to sell your coded up laptop though? Is it possible to update the database with new owner details?
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Ahhh ok, I get it now. I guess it would be quite good for knowing if you have bought stolen goods off ebay as well. Shame there's no way of getting your money back if you fall victim to that though.

EDIT: Actually, what if you wanted to sell your coded up laptop though? Is it possible to update the database with new owner details?


doubt it, that requires forward thinking, and these companies think as far forward as "when it gets nicked"


as for getting your money back if you unwittingly buy stolen goods there are channels but they are long and to be honest, pointless unless its several hundred pounds worth
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they found a coded item and suspected it was stolen, they would still need a statement off the registered owner that it had been stolen before they could proceed.

If you buy stolen goods, you are comitting an absolute criminal offence of being in posession of stolen property so I'd keep quiet about it if I were you. Not knowing they were stolen is not, as far as I'm aware, a valid defence.

Given how the police will always go for the easy meat, if I landed up in posession of something I suspected to be hooky, I'd either keep quiet or get shot of it.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:
Could you just not spunk all over your bike to DNA mark it?


Thanks for that.

I've pissed all over mine and the TV and stereo for good measure.

The dog just pissed over my piss now the fecker....
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PostPosted: 04:51 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
yaigi wrote:
I don't get it.... how does it work?



You get given a phial of the solution.

The solution contains some small micro-dot thingies which are uniquely referenced to your property details.

You paint the solution into nooks and crannies on your nickable stuff.

If said stuff gets nicked (and recovered), the coppers can trace exactly who it belongs to.

It supposedly then acts as a deterrent to it being nicked, because if a toe-rag is found in possession of it, it can be easily flagged up as nicked stuff, nicked stuff which previously belonged to a specific and traceable person.

I didn't actually get a UV light in my kit (I guess because it was a freebie in a bag rather than a purchased kit), but that doesn't matter really - it's not that you need to see to write your name or anything, you just need to paint a bit of the solution on (typically in a place where it can't be scratched off easily, hence the nooks and crannies bit).


Not only that but it leaves a trace on their skin and everyone we bring into custody gets checked for traces of smartwater under a UV lamp. If they have any on them, we can take a swab, send it off for analysis and link them to burglaries or cash-in-transit robberies which have a similar solution upon forcing entry into one.

I have spent a good few hours recently handing them out to homeowners on duty, the key selling point is that the kit is worth £60 retail incl. VAT. Very good idea indeed as the criminals are well aware that we check them for the solution on the way into custody as most burglars are none too unfamiliar with the process of being arrested. Not only that, but they often commit other offences as well so there's a good chance they'll be picked up sooner or later.

The stickers in the kit are supposed to be a massive deterrent and I am not sure about my borough, but other parts on the country have seen a drop of around 15% in areas where there has been a blanket distribution of the kits.
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