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DottyDuck
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PostPosted: 02:37 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: top box issue! do you trust yours? Reply with quote

I bought a top box for my bike and it is very secure! But when i pit my helmet and gloves in there when i go into town etc. I am constantly worried about it! So my question is: do you have a top box? And if so do you trust leaving things in there? Or are they easy to take off/ open? I am probably stressing over something daft... but hey i just need abit of reassurance!

(I hope i have posted in the right part?)

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PostPosted: 02:42 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are indeed easy to open.

Frankly, ANYTHING is easy to open if someone really wants it.

I don't think anyone wants my sweaty XXL helmet, even if it was expensive.
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PostPosted: 03:17 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too true Dan! I hope you dont take this the wrong way but if you are the guy in your pic (which im presuming you are lol) then i wouldnt want to get on the wrong side of you! Where as people would not be intimidated by me in the slightest! Lol so maybe that is why your helmet is safe! Lol
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PostPosted: 03:27 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, I wish that was the case!

To be fair, no, its never happened to me - but no one knows who owns my bike when I'm not there, its just never happened. As I say, its a calculated risk.

It might happen once in a thousand times, and i'd sacrifice one helmet to save me carrying it round a thousand times!

Thats how I look at it anyway. My top boxes have either been givi, or triumph, and I trust the security on both brands to keep out the oppurtunist thieves.

Ultimately though, if someone wants it they'll get it. Its not exactly a regular occurence though is it, I can't remember ever seeing a "my top box got nicked/broken in to" thread!
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PostPosted: 05:09 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top-boxes are relatively secure in my experience. No more secure than the bike itself, of course, but more secure than e.g. under the seat of a scooter - my GF had her helmet stolen from her Vity scooter while my scooter, with its topbox, parked right beside her was unmolested.

I wouldn't trust the rotating hook based latching mechanisms on the cheapest chinese no-name top-boxes, but I have used them in the past on cheap scooters. The double-hinged flap used by most of Givi, OEMs etc. seems better.
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PostPosted: 05:59 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When your talking secure I wondered if 'securely fastened on the bike' falls into this catagory?
I was following this guy with his son as passanger in a group run out, myself and several others noticed his top box was loose so once we stopped at the lights one of the guys informed him his top box was loose to which he replied "yes I know but it wont come off!"

3 miles on route it flew off and I was behind him the box fortunaly flew off to the grass verge, we stopped and all the prat was worried about was recouping his soddin top box.
All he could do was see the funny side of the incident and continued to do this on the bike forum the group belonged to that same evening.
Question, why was you riding behind him? unfortunatly due to the group drop off system I ended up behind him along a tight lane and wasn't able to get in front of him at the time.
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PostPosted: 06:51 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can open my topbox without the key using just my fingers. When I got it, I didn't even realise that i'd been opening and closing it in locked mode, it was that easy to do.

So no, I don't put anything in my topbox that I can't afford to lose.
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane wrote:

3 miles on route it flew off and I was behind him the box fortunaly flew off to the grass verge, we stopped and all the prat was worried about was recouping his soddin top box.
All he could do was see the funny side of the incident and continued to do this on the bike forum the group belonged to that same evening.
Question, why was you riding behind him? unfortunatly due to the group drop off system I ended up behind him along a tight lane and wasn't able to get in front of him at the time.


Laughing

I actually had a bit of an incident myself last week where my top-box decided to fly off my bike as I accellerated up a dual carriageway. Luckily enough it missed the car that was right up my arse, although hopefully woke him up a little and taught him a lesson.
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
I can open my topbox without the key using just my fingers. When I got it, I didn't even realise that i'd been opening and closing it in locked mode, it was that easy to do.

So no, I don't put anything in my topbox that I can't afford to lose.


Would be helpful if you included details of the make and model, so it could be avoided.

The Honda OEM topbox on my SH300 is bulletproof. I dropped my old SH300 perhaps 6 times, including a high-side, and the box is only scratched. Never came open in any crash. I have a very high degree of faith in it.

My Givi Maxia E55 is less than reassuring when closing - you need to push on the plastic front to make it click, and that's what's written in the manual too - but won't open with fingers and has no obvious way in. It's been on my ER6 when it was reversed into and it took a bash (it's large so it sticks out), but didn't budge or open.

My 40-odd litre moto-detail box has the double-hinge mechanism, but I don't have much faith in it - the lip on the flap isn't very meaty, and someone with a knife or screwdriver could probably get in.

The Kawasaki OEM topbox on my GF's ER6 is pretty secure, but the latch mechanism is a little finicky - when the topbox is overstuffed, it's possible for a bit of cloth (from, say, a handbag) to get caught in the flap latching area and make it all very stiff. But there's no easy access to the latch area, it's up inside a kind of "hood", so it's fairly secure.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Topboxes are very easy to break into, I had to gain entry to my Givi when the locked fucked up (to be fair I knew it was dodgy so I should have done something earlier)

A cordless drill and a screwdriver got me in about 25 seconds, very little damage to the box, replaced the lock and was useable again
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: top box issue! do you trust yours? Reply with quote

DOTTYDUCK wrote:
I bought a top box for my bike and it is very secure!

How hard have you tried to break into it?

I'm guessing that your lid and gloves cost about £40 all in, so don't lose any sleep over it.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eggs Benedict wrote:
A cordless drill and a screwdriver got me in about 25 seconds, very little damage to the box, replaced the lock and was useable again


I think the chances of an opportunist having a cordless drill specifically for stealing stuff from topboxes are remote.

A cordless angle grinder will make short work of almost any lock you put on your bike, so you could say the same thing about all bike security. I once left my disc lock key behind in a hotel when touring, and I had to get a local locksmith to remove the lock the next morning. No more than a minute or so of grinding through the keyhole.

Even if the lock were more secure, you could cut through the plastic itself more directly.

If you're going to go to the risk, and be prepared etc., I think there are higher rewards to go for than the most probable contents of a topbox - a battered helmet and soggy pair of gloves, and if you get really lucky, some dirty waterproofs.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only time I had a top box it bounced off on a roundabout one morning! All the pot holes ended up breaking the mounts, good job I was only down the road when it happened.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the security entirely depends on the top box you get, mine seems to be locked pretty sturdily and I often leave my lid in the box both when at work and in town (in town i park at the back of the mrs's work)

I've a Givi top box on the 125, will likely transfer it to the hornet when I have the cash for a rack to mount it, all seem to be about £90 o_O
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: top box issue! do you trust yours? Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
DOTTYDUCK wrote:
I bought a top box for my bike and it is very secure!

How hard have you tried to break into it?

I'm guessing that your lid and gloves cost about £40 all in, so don't lose any sleep over it.


You are wrong! My gloves cost £45 and although my helmet was free with the bike it would be £45 to buy the same one.

Why are you so judgemental and so sure of yourself?!
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

350 bikes a week nicked in London. How secure can a top box be.
That said I never had anything nicked from a top box even when it
was secured by a bungee.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

in january im going to have to be going into the next town over for a "pre employment training" course. courtesy of the JCP.

anyways i tend to park up in a multistory carpark because theres no free parking anywhere thanks to the council monetizing every bit of spare road parking.

i tend to park up in one of the same 4 bays each time (all around each other) because theres a cctv dome with multiple cameras in it right next to the 4 i'll park in.

checked with the staff if its working and it does, so anyone tries to steal it or break into the topbox there'll be cctv footage of the theft.

if your worried about people braking into your topbox, try doing the same. parking close to a cctv
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: top box issue! do you trust yours? Reply with quote

DOTTYDUCK wrote:
You are wrong! My gloves cost £45 and although my helmet was free with the bike it would be £45 to buy the same one.

Why are you so judgemental and so sure of yourself?!


thats just roger, he can be a little self important at times. you get used to it as when he wants to he can actually be very helpful.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
Eggs Benedict wrote:
A cordless drill and a screwdriver got me in about 25 seconds, very little damage to the box, replaced the lock and was useable again


I think the chances of an opportunist having a cordless drill specifically for stealing stuff from topboxes are remote.


Exactly how many thieves do you think are opportunists?

Most thieves are career criminals, nicking to support their lifestyle. My point was cordless drills are very quiet (an angle grinder isn't) so someone could be in your top box without drawing much attention to themselves, I'd imagine if you did 5 bikes in a parking bay in London you're bound to strike lucky
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd prefer to take my stuff with me than have a top box, I don't want one.
there was one on my bike when I bought it, I sold it back to the shop for £30. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 07 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:23 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: top box issue! do you trust yours? Reply with quote

DOTTYDUCK wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I'm guessing that your lid and gloves cost about £40 all in, so don't lose any sleep over it.

You are wrong! My gloves cost £45 and although my helmet was free with the bike[...] Why are you so judgemental and so sure of yourself?!

Fair point, I was £5 out, I'll try not to be so cocky next time.

I'll take it as read that you haven't actually tested the security of your top box in any meaningful way.

To answer the original question, mine is held on with tie wraps, and I don't leave anything in there that I can't afford to lose. I can't imagine that there are many boxes out there that would resist some good solid percussive maintenance of the lock or hinges. Twist from the hips, that's where the power comes from.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave-the-rave wrote:
350 bikes a week nicked in London. How secure can a top box be.
That said I never had anything nicked from a top box even when it
was secured by a bungee.


350 a week? It'll be empty soon.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: top box issue! do you trust yours? Reply with quote

Fair point, I was £5 out, I'll try not to be so cocky next time.

I'll take it as read that you haven't actually tested the security of your top box in any meaningful way.

To answer the original question, mine is held on with tie wraps, and I don't leave anything in there that I can't afford to lose. I can't imagine that there are many boxes out there that would resist some good solid percussive maintenance of the lock or hinges. Twist from the hips, that's where the power comes from.[/quote]

no you weren't only £5 out.. if my helmet and gloves were to be stolen i would have to pay £45 for new gloves and i would have to buy a new helmet at another £45 it means i would have to [/b]pay £90 in total meaning you were £50 out

but thanks for answering properly after your cheeky remark! Wink

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PostPosted: 20:09 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost the only key to my Givi top box. Took me about 5 seconds to get into it. They are not secure people. Out of sight, out of mind though.
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