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PostPosted: 19:18 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Big bikes escape EU anti-tampering measures Reply with quote

I couldn't find any reference to this on BCF, so just posting just in case it was missed, from 22nd November...

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/November/nov2212-big-bikes-escape-eu-anti-tampering-measures/

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Motorcycles producing over 47bhp have escaped EU plans to make bikes impossible for owners to modify.

European Parliament has voted in favour of limiting so-called anti-tampering measures to smaller machines.

All new bikes over 125cc will get ABS under the regulation approved by MEPs. Smaller machines can have combined brakes instead.

The anti-tampering measures aim to prevent modifications of bikes which fall under the 47bhp limit for new ‘A2’ licence holders from next year.

Bikes will get so-called on-board diagnostic systems capable of registering modifications as faults to be rectified by a mechanic.

Motorcycles will also be brought into line with car emission standards under the rules, to be introduced gradually from 2016.

Last year, MCN readers staged a protest ride to Brussels over the anti-tampering proposals, which at that stage had the potential to include all bikes.

The BMF’s Government Relations Executive, Chris Hodder said: “After several years of hard work, we believe this is the best deal that was available and we've worked solidly to get it.

"This legislation may have some things we don't like in it, but it will have some long term benefits for motorcyclists, especially in terms of cleaner bikes that are cheaper to run.”




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PostPosted: 23:01 - 10 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite mad, I think I will enjoy what I have before it get taken away
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 11 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long do you think it'll be before there are a zillion threads on how to disable the data recorders?

I can see a rise in popularity for classic machines as well.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 12 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What annoys me most about this is the apparent assumption that people who have full licenses wouldn't want to have a modified low-power bike.

I don't want much more power than is in my 27hp SH300, but I do want the freedom to modify the powertrain, change the exhaust, etc.

It's upsetting.

(I'm in favour of the ABS thing, not least because it will add competitive pressure on manufacturers to make it cheap, rather than using it as an excuse to cream off extra profit from people who are safety-conscious.)
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 12 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no need for ABS to be made compulsorily, what happened to us having the freedom of choice?

Standard Brussels meddling. What happens if the vehicle is under the bhp as standard, but then you modify it to be above the limit?
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PostPosted: 05:30 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or linked braking instead of ABS Evil or Very Mad

I've had bikes with linked braking, it's no better than the standard set up so why make it compulsory. ABS I can sort of understand even if I don't agree with it, but linked brakes, why?
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I've had bikes with linked braking, it's no better than the standard set up so why make it compulsory.

Because they're idiots. There's really no need to look any further.

We nearly did get mandatory ABS on 125s, after Bosch bought their local MEP to pencil it in. For some reason (they're idiots...) it was taken out and replaced with linked brakes on 125s by the next layer of committee.

I wonder if some cheap arse Ling Chong pressure based "ABS" on the front brake will suffice. If so, we might end up with that on 125s anyway.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

its kind of weird that ABS is only on over 125s. considering learners are more likely to have a crash it would make sense to put safety aids on that capacity instead Confused
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

um, okay heres my 2 cents.

it seems to me that brussels have managed to work this to their advantage making sure that the most beneficial saftey aspects (abs on 125's) and most restricting aspects have been put in/left out in all the right places to put as many people off bikes as possible and/or make biking as much of a pain in the arse as possible.

how many people are put of riding after locking up the wheel and crashing on a 125? ABS would help cut that number down so brussels doesnt want it.

so that giant victory they are rambling on about isnt much of a victory at all.

although the freedom with bigger bikes i cant see any draw backs to that so yay for that bit.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is this only on new bikes? Or old and new?
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
So is this only on new bikes? Or old and new?


New bikes.


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PostPosted: 20:53 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, new, and it's even more bizarre than that. The new stuff will apply from 2016, .... but for bikes that were available prior to 2016, it will only apply from 2017.

Aren't you happy that your EU tax dollah aren't being wasted?
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Aren't you happy that your EU tax dollah aren't being wasted?


be better of taking the eu tax and paying terrorist orgs to blow up brussels and assasins to take the morons out.
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really can understand why UKIP is growing in popularity.
This is total and utter Euro-bollocks that we are all paying for.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats going to happen with enduros, if you wanted to throw a new ktm exc on the road, they certainly wont come with ABS Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be graciously allowed a button to switch off the ABS that you've been made to buy.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 06 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Big bikes escape EU anti-tampering measures Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
I couldn't find any reference to this on BCF, so just posting just in case it was missed, from 22nd November...

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/November/nov2212-big-bikes-escape-eu-anti-tampering-measures/

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Motorcycles producing over 47bhp have escaped EU plans to make bikes impossible for owners to modify.

European Parliament has voted in favour of limiting so-called anti-tampering measures to smaller machines.

All new bikes over 125cc will get ABS under the regulation approved by MEPs. Smaller machines can have combined brakes instead.

The anti-tampering measures aim to prevent modifications of bikes which fall under the 47bhp limit for new ‘A2’ licence holders from next year.

Bikes will get so-called on-board diagnostic systems capable of registering modifications as faults to be rectified by a mechanic.

Motorcycles will also be brought into line with car emission standards under the rules, to be introduced gradually from 2016.

Last year, MCN readers staged a protest ride to Brussels over the anti-tampering proposals, which at that stage had the potential to include all bikes.

The BMF’s Government Relations Executive, Chris Hodder said: “After several years of hard work, we believe this is the best deal that was available and we've worked solidly to get it.

"This legislation may have some things we don't like in it, but it will have some long term benefits for motorcyclists, especially in terms of cleaner bikes that are cheaper to run.”




Andy


Got a question on this.

How the hell do they expect to police this?

At the moment there is enough stuff that us bikers get away with (noisy cans, small plates, dark / mirrored Visors etc etc)

How on earth do they expect Police / authorities to monitor and police all the other mods that we do?

Glad the EU is live and well and that we are getting told what to do in our own country by some eurocrat in Brussels. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 06 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta love them.

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"Bikes will get so-called on-board diagnostic systems capable of registering modifications as faults to be rectified by a mechanic. "


So it's not actually going to be an anti-tampering. It's going to log tampering on the ECU.

Presumably this will make a light come on on the dash that you then take the bulb out of.

I can count on no hands the number of fucks your average motorcycle mechanic will give when they get a bike in for service that's showing an exhaust modification fault code.

Presumably, the EU are assuming motorcycles are only being serviced by authorised dealers who will immediately jump up and down on anything that deviates from standard spec. or returns a fault code. How very German..."Was ist das? Das power kommander. Wo ist der ECU?"
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 06 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was talking to a friend about BMW cars the other day and he told me that if you don't get them serviced within the specified time limit they massively reduce the number of revs you can use, before eventually refusing to start at all. Until a BMW dealer plugs in their computer and tells the car it has been serviced.

I imagine the implementation will be something similar with these anti-tamper systems. It's a shame really because I quite like messing around with simple little bikes. I quite fancy a KTM Duke 390 which is unfortunately under the 47bhp to be affected by this when it comes in.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 06 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it's going to hit us hard in the wallets

It's bulllllllshit
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 06 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Sounds like it's going to hit us hard in the wallets

It's bulllllllshit

I agree that it's bullshit but I doubt it'll cost much money for the big manufacturers to implement. When I can eventually afford to buy a new bike I'd probably want something above 47bhp anyway...so I can't see it affecting me.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 06 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first generation of Nanny Chips will just have to detect treasonous modifications.

2nd generation, well now, BMW might be on to something there.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 08 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:
When I can eventually afford to buy a new bike I'd probably want something above 47bhp anyway...so I can't see it affecting me.

For now.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 08 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
beechbone wrote:
When I can eventually afford to buy a new bike I'd probably want something above 47bhp anyway...so I can't see it affecting me.

For now.


True true...shame there's sod all we can do about it. Any petitions aimed at the EU seem to be mostly ignored...they aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of common sense either...
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 08 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it continues it'll be time to buy 1000cc bikes and run no numberplates, no insurance, no mot etc etc.
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