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| barrkel |
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What annoys me most about this is the apparent assumption that people who have full licenses wouldn't want to have a modified low-power bike.
I don't want much more power than is in my 27hp SH300, but I do want the freedom to modify the powertrain, change the exhaust, etc.
It's upsetting.
(I'm in favour of the ABS thing, not least because it will add competitive pressure on manufacturers to make it cheap, rather than using it as an excuse to cream off extra profit from people who are safety-conscious.) ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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I see no need for ABS to be made compulsorily, what happened to us having the freedom of choice?
Standard Brussels meddling. What happens if the vehicle is under the bhp as standard, but then you modify it to be above the limit? ____________________ My Flickr |
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Or linked braking instead of ABS
I've had bikes with linked braking, it's no better than the standard set up so why make it compulsory. ABS I can sort of understand even if I don't agree with it, but linked brakes, why? ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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its kind of weird that ABS is only on over 125s. considering learners are more likely to have a crash it would make sense to put safety aids on that capacity instead  ____________________ cbt:4/7/12 theory:16/7/12 module 1:12/8/12 module 2: ? |
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Yes, new, and it's even more bizarre than that. The new stuff will apply from 2016, .... but for bikes that were available prior to 2016, it will only apply from 2017.
Aren't you happy that your EU tax dollah aren't being wasted? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Whats going to happen with enduros, if you wanted to throw a new ktm exc on the road, they certainly wont come with ABS  |
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You will be graciously allowed a button to switch off the ABS that you've been made to buy. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 Posted: 13:35 - 06 Feb 2013 Post subject: Re: Big bikes escape EU anti-tampering measures |
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | I couldn't find any reference to this on BCF, so just posting just in case it was missed, from 22nd November...
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/November/nov2212-big-bikes-escape-eu-anti-tampering-measures/
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Motorcycles producing over 47bhp have escaped EU plans to make bikes impossible for owners to modify.
European Parliament has voted in favour of limiting so-called anti-tampering measures to smaller machines.
All new bikes over 125cc will get ABS under the regulation approved by MEPs. Smaller machines can have combined brakes instead.
The anti-tampering measures aim to prevent modifications of bikes which fall under the 47bhp limit for new ‘A2’ licence holders from next year.
Bikes will get so-called on-board diagnostic systems capable of registering modifications as faults to be rectified by a mechanic.
Motorcycles will also be brought into line with car emission standards under the rules, to be introduced gradually from 2016.
Last year, MCN readers staged a protest ride to Brussels over the anti-tampering proposals, which at that stage had the potential to include all bikes.
The BMF’s Government Relations Executive, Chris Hodder said: “After several years of hard work, we believe this is the best deal that was available and we've worked solidly to get it.
"This legislation may have some things we don't like in it, but it will have some long term benefits for motorcyclists, especially in terms of cleaner bikes that are cheaper to run.”
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Got a question on this.
How the hell do they expect to police this?
At the moment there is enough stuff that us bikers get away with (noisy cans, small plates, dark / mirrored Visors etc etc)
How on earth do they expect Police / authorities to monitor and police all the other mods that we do?
Glad the EU is live and well and that we are getting told what to do in our own country by some eurocrat in Brussels.  ____________________ 2010 R6 - Love it |
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The first generation of Nanny Chips will just have to detect treasonous modifications.
2nd generation, well now, BMW might be on to something there. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 50 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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