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PostPosted: 03:32 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: top end speed kymco super 8 , 125cc Reply with quote

Hi everyone , as written in the title that's the bike i got and i would like to get an advice regarding aftermarket exhausts which would increase its top speed.
Currently it goes 65mph on a flat , but i would like it to go 70-75 so i can keep up on motorways ( ill be keeping the scooter after passing my moto test ).
I know the main brands on the market , but i have been googling a lot and saw other different brands but its mostly i have no idea which one would increase its top speed cause the current stock exhaust isn't meant for performance.

Thank you.

P.S. another thing , i just want a cool exhaust Smile
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need a combination of exhaust, carb re-jet and different rollers. Save your money & get a license & buy a bike that can (easily) keep up with motorway traffic. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt your gunna be able to get a 10mph increase without spending some serious £££ on it. Your best bet is as said, pass your test and get a bigger bike Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are fighting a loosing battle with the super 8, there are a few "performance" parts out there but as said an exhaust alone wont improve it much as they are not restricted anyway
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you can take that engine out to circa 200cc easily and cheaply, and get transmission parts like gear up kits, you are onto a complete loser in the extreme.

How any carb/intake/exhaust tuning is going to affect the top speed of a 4stroke scooter is totally beyond me.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you can keep up on motorways?
Well, Learner Restrictions prohibit any-one with provisional entitlement using motorways, so we must presume you have a full licence....
In which case, the simplest way to go faster, is get a bigger scooter.....
Small gains to be found from tuning any small bike to be honest, and big difference to being able to 'do' 70-75, and being able to comfortably hold 70-75.
If you only just have the power to 'do' that speed, then any headwind, hill, truck buffet whatever, is going to slam you back....
An extra 10mph 'max' speed is likely to only realistically give you an extra 5mph of comfy cruising speed.
And TBH, if you are going to use a lightweight on a motorway...
all you need is a 55mph cruising speed.
Get in the truck lane, stick with the convoy and try not to go to sleep.
You ent going to have the grunt to try dicing it with Middle~Lane Mondeo man, or the Outside Lane bullies, and would be a fol to try, most of the time.
70 is a speed limit, not a target, no one says you HAVE to go that fast, and a lot of traffic doesn't, and much of it wouldn't be allowed to anyway.... HGV's are legally only allowed to do 60, and strictly, so is anything else dragging a trailer, or classed as a 'commercial vehicle' which includes transit vans, and Astra estates with the back windows not punched out!
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
only allowed to do 60, and strictly, so is anything else dragging a trailer, or classed as a 'commercial vehicle' which includes transit vans, and Astra estates with the back windows not punched out!



That's incorrect, an astra estate "van" even commercial is allowed to do 70mph on a motorway

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Cars and vehicles (including car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes max laden weight) 70 (112)


Also, vans such as sprinters and transits so long as they are less than 7.5T can also do 70mph

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Goods vehicles (not more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 70 (112)- If articulated, or towing a trailer, limit is 60 (96)


Since a transit etc isn't articulated they are not restricted to 60mph unless over 7.5T or are towing a trailer.

Source is here
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pointless trying to 'keep up' on a 125, get something bigger
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
so we must presume you have a full licence....

Tut Tut, you just know I'm going to pop up and point out such things as 'having a licence at all' didn't stop you using the roads. Wink

Hover, I do agree that getting a faster bike is by the most sensible option in this case - whether it be a faster 125 or a bigger bike, either way it makes more sense than the decent amount of money needing to be spent to get this bike 'up to spec'.

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HGV's are legally only allowed to do 60, and strictly, so is anything else dragging a trailer, or classed as a 'commercial vehicle' which includes transit vans, and Astra estates with the back windows not punched out!

As above, not the case. Possible some smaller crew cab transits are legally allowed to do 70mph on A-Roads, a bit lighter crew cab vans definitely are (one of the reasons I went for a crew cab.)
[url=https://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p206x206/270999_10150242610695689_5156082_n.jpg]This vehicle[url] is allowed to and can do 70mph on motorways (until you work out the fuel bill and start crying, anyway!). That's the same dimensions as the 14t truck I did my test in, though it's only 7.5t so is fine despite being listed as PLG. However, you could get a 26t+ rigid and re-classisfy it as a motorhome, at which point you shoud be fine to do 70mph on the motorway.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your answers , the thing is i want to keep this scooter cause its really nice one and i dont want to go over 70mph. Its just i was thinking to get some parts to make it at least keep up at the motorways.

But overall any good exhausts which should fit this scooter?
I was looking at tecnigas exhausts which looks kinda sporty and doesnt sound too bad.

Another thing , how does changing air filter to KN or how its called affects the bike ?
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two brothers exhausts

https://www.twobros.com/


Its a 4 stroke so no need to worry about compression waves and other such things..

essentially if your venting at a different rate ( higher in this case) you need to increase the airflow in.

An aftermarket air box/filter like a K an N would increase the surface area of the filter and thus the flow of air would be greater.

This would then need to be balanced by increasing the amount of fuel added to the mixture.. re balance of your carbs?

otherwise you could spend £300 and go slower.. which would be sh1t.

im not an expert but having owned more 125's than most men my age I can safely say that I fully agree with the chaps above.

a scooter like tat is designed to be quick of the mark and agile.. not to cruise in a straight line at 70mph.

however if you are set on the upgrade


air in air out and fuel mix need to be tweaked.

id just chop the exhaust of 2 feet from the manifold and rip the air box out then see how fast you go until it rains! Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or drill the baffles and get a plate made up saying "well expensive, innit" Wink.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
pointless trying to 'keep up' on a 125, get something bigger


Sorry but this is fruitless under the new licensing people that pass will legally be allowed to get onto a 125 then go on the motorway. So expect more of these posts, coming next year especially for the people restricted to a 125.

Personally I'd put money on the faster 125's prices going up to meet the demand. Most probably stupid prices.
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PostPosted: 02:12 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:

Sorry but this is fruitless under the new licensing people that pass will legally be allowed to get onto a 125 then go on the motorway.


Riding A roads on a 125 was bad enough, sod using one on a motorway. Shocked
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PostPosted: 02:48 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all replies , you have answered all my questions.
Regarding 125 and motorways , when ill pass my bike test ill be keeping scooter cause i love it too much Smile
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:

Sorry but this is fruitless under the new licensing people that pass will legally be allowed to get onto a 125 then go on the motorway.

Nothing new there, always been the case. The difference now is that people won't have a choice to legally get a faster bike.
Though, of course a full power 11kw bike should manage motorway speeds ok if the aerodynamics aren't too bad, it's just that most aren't 11kw.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
pointless trying to 'keep up' on a 125, get something bigger


I keep up on the motorway on a 125. Think the Vara is a good bike for the motorway, I wouldn't be caught on a scooter on the motorway Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. another thing , i just want a cool exhaust

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PostPosted: 16:08 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Nothing new there, always been the case. The difference now is that people won't have a choice to legally get a faster bike.
Though, of course a full power 11kw bike should manage motorway speeds ok if the aerodynamics aren't too bad, it's just that most aren't 11kw.


I'm thinking of bikes like the CG125 I'm not that heavy 11stone and I manage about 45 going up a hill. Even when I drop a gear to get more acceleration it still doesn't move that much. That is a pure danger on the motorway in my opinion especially with people that haven't got that much experience & on a low powered machine.

Doubt people will really want to get the cheap 125 that is A2 compatible anymore just because that opportunity no longer exists so people will be going for bike that they can have a few years spending more and being tempted by the faster ones..

Guess we will see next year if there is any real change with the prices in around June/July.

(Expecting threads on that and "I've lost my restricted license and I've got a 600 Crying or Very sad" from the younger new/members.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahaha that's the rental thing I was put on

ITS FUCKING HORRIBLE
SELL IT SELL IT SELL IT OR BURN IT

Did I mention burning it?
No it wont go faster without pointless amounts of time effort and money.

It's really nice?! Seriously?! It's a chinese piece of shit with shit brakes, shit lights, shit suspension and shit looks.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that a lot of these CG/GS125 clone bikes from china are not making more that 2/3 of the allowed 15bhp. That limits their speed to CG125 levels or a bit worse in some cases. There are 125's out there that are like 9-10bhp, and these will be marginal for fast roads and motorways.

A 15bhp sporty faired 125 should manage a real 75mph in ideal conditions, and that's at least 15mph more than a poor CG/GS clone will in the same conditions.

I've ridden a CG125 for 30-40miles at a time on a motorway, and id say that you need to be able to reach 60mph and hold 55mph+ on hills to feel even remotely safe.

A bike that will do a real 70mph most of the time when ridden flat out is enough for safety, but anything less than the performance of a CBR125 or Vara 125, is a bit un-nerving IMO.

Maybe not as scary as holding a stage 3 tuned Mito flat out at 11k in top with a cold sleepy numb clutch hand tho? Wink
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
That is a pure danger on the motorway in my opinion especially with people that haven't got that much experience & on a low powered machine.

I've ridden and driven a variety of slow powered vehicles on major.
Make sure you're well visible and it should be fine.
Even a CG will still be faster than the slower trucks.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your lucky it's still running
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:

I'll deffer with reservations.
That's a Dot.Gov 'advisory' bullatin not a statute, and they aren't always totally right. And I cant be arsed to try and untangle the paragraph refs of the RTA. My understanding came from an article a while back, on subject referencing a similar dot.gov advisory!?!?

Point remains... you dont HAVE to do 70 on a motorway, and not everything does or is allowed to.

i feed ma cat wrote:
Thank you for your answers , the thing is i want to keep this scooter cause its really nice one and i dont want to go over 70mph. Its just i was thinking to get some parts to make it at least keep up at the motorways.


OK so you haven't got a licence yet, so its all rather accademic; other than suggestion is likely masking small 'lie' looking for justification to tune a Learner-Legal 125, riden on L-Plates... possibly beyond that legally allowed for a Learner-Legal 125.

First, that is a peculiar perversity, and irrespective of the chances you take as far as insurance & licence entitlement; reliability & resaleability... the gains per quid are REALLY so small as to not be worth the while for anything but the perverse mechanical masochism of 'meddling' for its own sake.

Truly, and without a full licence even more pertinant; every £ you spend on this bike to make it infantesimally 'faster', and it will never be more than moderately brisk, even if you chuck thousands at the job; is a £ less towards training & test fees or a bigger, MUCH faster machine.

And you SAY you dont want a different one, BUT, every Learner limited to a 125 says that at some point; soon as they have a full licence in thier pocket and the artificial restrictions are lifted and they can have however much performance their bottle or bank balence can handle.... idea becomes an itch and eats away until the HAVE to have it!

Now I am often accused of scooter bashing; becouse I do find them very curiouse vehicles; not least the veneravle vespa; starting with a clean sheet of paper, you do NOT pick the inciest little wheels you can find; put the engine beside the back one, offset it two inches to one side to make space for the motor, then string it together with the flimsiest chassis structure you can get away with with the crudest suspension imaginable, IF you want to build a safe stable vehicle.... how it even got off the drawing board eludes my engineering sense of asthetics. But it did.

Anyway, I'm not stranger to lightweights, or taking them on motorways or duel carriageways, and nope, you wont be battling with the BMW's in the bully-lane, even on the fastest 'fast' 125 very often. Some of them can reach sort of motorway speeds, and I have, on a two-stroke sports 125 'popped' into the outside lane to pass Mr Mondeo Liberal Lane-Hog... but the bikes not really 'at home' in this enviroment and its not so much the limited speed; I have trundled along motorways sticking to 56mph in the slip of a truck quite happily on tiddlers.... got great MPG from it too.... but dont reccomend you trying..... to get the best slip-stream effect you have to be FUCKING close to that trick, with the reflexes of a cat on a cafffine trip! (But Manchester to Plymouth & Back, err... 500miles on something less than three gallons! You have to be a very broke, foolish, and sex staved student to want to do it!)

But I digress.... yeah... motorways.... there will ALWAYS be faster moving traffic, almost regardless of what you ride... certainly until you are up into the litre bike territory, and even then, there will be idiots in hot cars that think you are fair game and will try and 'push' you to the upper operating envelope..... believe me.... its not just being on a tiddler; its being on the ROAD, and infront of some-one with teh wrong attitude.

So; doesn't really matter if your bike only does 60, or 160, you will still have to contend with traffic and the idiots in it; and extra mph will not make big differences, and perversely just those few extra mph can take you out of the relative safety of the truck-stack, into the cut & thrust of the over-taking lanes, and give you enough 'go' to get in the game, but not enough to 'win'... the reality very much being the only way to win that game, is by NOT getting in it!

But, back to point; WEIGHT. for comfy cruising, and increased stability, best 'upgrade' is not power but weight.

Added weight doesn;t necesserily slow you down, though will blunt acceleration, but it does do a lot to give you extra 'momentum' which is what offers stability, making for a more comfortable ride.

This is probably the biggest benefit of a bigger, heavier machine.

And talking to some more ardent Skooteristi... I do talk to them, BTW... chaps that are all into the Northern Soul scene and doing all the Mod Rallys and who DO use the motorways and ride two hundred miles at a stretch on a scooter....

They reckon that the old Vespas and Lambrettas, the heavier scooters, and better still the classic 'Mod' scooter with lots of bolted on ballast, rather than the later cut-down lightweight chops, ride 'best', and are most comfy on the motorway.... and if you ever see them, in convoy, even though some of those scooters are 200's and sometimes even bored out 200's I think they can get them out to nearly 300cc, and I know that they can top a ton, and a well fettled one lap Mallory as quick as a Yamaha 'Elcie'... so they ent 'slow' scoots by a long stretch..... on tour... there they will be, 55 in the truck lane, keeping out of the 'frey' contending with the over-taking laners.

So.... honestly? Is this REALLY about making your Scooter 'Better' on motorways and duel carriageways? If so, ballast is probably better than exhausts. Or is this really just about trying to go faster?
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