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PostPosted: 17:47 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Can you take test on a 125 after Jan19th (over 24 yrs old) Reply with quote

i've just read an article on the tests post Jan 19th in a magazine and it seems to suggest that after Jan 19th you have to take the test on a bigger bike. So I'm confused as I thought after Jan 19th you could take the test on a 125 just you can't ride anything bigger or more powerful without doing another test on a bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can, but thats all you'll be able to ride without further tests.

if you want a bigger bike after jan 19th, do them on a bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotta do tests on a 125
ride for 2 years or be over 19
then do tests on a 400
as far as I know

Which sounds usually_wrong to me
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

alpha, everything i have read suggests you can take the tests on any catagory size bike as long as your old enough.

so if your over 24 you can take the biggest bike test without having to take the smaller ones first.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
alpha, everything i have read suggests you can take the tests on any catagory size bike as long as your old enough.

so if your over 24 you can take the biggest bike test without having to take the smaller ones first.

Thinking
Looking at it again perhaps you're right, the information is so ambiguous though, i'm happy with a 46bhp cap, probably for the best Cool
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Can you take test on a 125 after Jan19th (over 24 yrs ol Reply with quote

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i've just read an article on the tests post Jan 19th in a magazine and it seems to suggest that after Jan 19th you have to take the test on a bigger bike. So I'm confused as I thought after Jan 19th you could take the test on a 125 just you can't ride anything bigger or more powerful without doing another test on a bigger bike.


You do not have to take your test on a bigger bike unless you want to ride a bigger bike. If you only want to ride a 125 take your test on a 125.


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PostPosted: 20:38 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can still take the tests on a 125, it's just that nobody will bother because it doesn't get you on a bigger bike, and there's "direct access" to the A2 category at 19 regardless of whether you got A1 or not.

A (aka A3) is direct access at 24 or 2 years after passing A2 i.e. a minimum of 21. But nobody will be able to go that progressive route until 2015 (i.e. 2 years after the A2 license becomes available).

It's going to be a lean couple of years for riding schools and no mistake.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I screw up and don't pass my test (on a 125) before Jan 19th then I'm going to have to save my pennies and pay a training school to do DAS, so not so lean times for them. I would have thpught the new rules would mean more business for schools.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
If I screw up and don't pass my test (on a 125) before Jan 19th then I'm going to have to save my pennies and pay a training school to do DAS, so not so lean times for them. I would have thpught the new rules would mean more business for schools.

How old are you?
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

45 but I'm planning on being 44 next year Smile
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
45 but I'm planning on being 44 next year Smile


hey if it works, tell us the secret, extra years for riding cant be bad at all!
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
45 but I'm planning on being 44 next year Smile

Why do you need to do DAS? Just want to get unrestricted?
I'm guessing you were happy to be restricted for 2 years like myself

Well it could be good news for us if we can go straight onto a 400 and then ride up to 50bhp instead of 33, just need suitable bikes to do it on!
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I would have thpught the new rules would mean more business for schools.


IT is going to be more business for schools before believe it was 1 in 4 went back after completion of the CBT for extra training and to pass their tests.

Now if you are 19 or over and want to go onto the A2 or A3 ( think it's A3 anyway unrestricted) and don't want to avoid any extra hassle then you are going to have to go to a school to borrow one of their bikes. Most people will get training at the same time so they can get used to the weight and the power delivery of the 400's or the 600's.

Depending on how long the CBT is to last and how you think you could do on Mod2 then you could take the Mod2 under the new directive and have an A1 license to last you till you get funds for DAS.

https://www.gov.uk/motorcycle-practical-test/new-rules-for-mopeds-and-motorcycles-from-19-january-2013
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Can you take test on a 125 after Jan19th (over 24 yrs ol Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
i've just read an article on the tests post Jan 19th in a magazine and it seems to suggest that after Jan 19th you have to take the test on a bigger bike. So I'm confused as I thought after Jan 19th you could take the test on a 125 just you can't ride anything bigger or more powerful without doing another test on a bigger bike.


you can but you will get A1 license.

There are 3 test types: A1, A2 and A and you get the license depending on bike you use on the test.

Category A1: Motorcycle without side car, must be at least 120cc and no more than 125cc, power not to exceed 11kw (14.6bhp), Capable of at least 90km/h (55mph).

Category A2: A motorcycle without side car, of at least 395cc with a power output between 25 and 35 kW (33bhp and 46.6 bhp). No upper engine size limit, but the power to weight ratio must not exceed 0.2kW/kg and it must not be derived from a motorcycle of more than double its power. From the end of 2013 the power
requirement will change to between 20 and 35 kW

Category A: Motorcycle without side car, must be at least 595cc with a power output of at least 40kw or
(53.6bhp).
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
If I screw up and don't pass my test (on a 125) before Jan 19th then I'm going to have to save my pennies and pay a training school to do DAS, so not so lean times for them. I would have thought the new rules would mean more business for schools.


Long term, maybe.

Short term, they'll lose most of the 17 and 18 year olds overnight (beyond the CBT), and some of the 19-23 year olds who say "Frak that, I'm not paying DAS course costs to get half a license."

More cost, more complexity = fewer people bothering at all, or bothering to go beyond a CBT.

And as the DfT/DSA chose the dick move of requiring that A2 test bikes need to be in the 25-35kW range (rather than 25kw+ which is all the 3DLD requires) they'll have to run 3 different lots of bikes instead of 2 at the moment.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg, I guess your right I'm sure a lot of younger riders will be put off but not older riders like me. Will be interesting to see if the cost of courses goes up next year as well.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the latest on this?

If you take a test on a 125 is that all you can ride?

(Don't get me wrong at this stage I would be more than happy with any bike.)
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bene wrote:
What's the latest on this?

If you take a test on a 125 is that all you can ride?

(Don't get me wrong at this stage I would be more than happy with any bike.)


Basicaly yes. The test on a 125 has become pointless for riders over 24. Everyone wanting a full big bike licence is going to have to take a test on. 600cc bike at some point anyway. The test on a 125 only makes sense for teenagers so they don't have to keep doing CBTs.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bene wrote:
What's the latest on this?

If you take a test on a 125 is that all you can ride?

(Don't get me wrong at this stage I would be more than happy with any bike.)


yes new rules are you need at least 595 on your practical test in order to get full A license, making full license very expensive, under old rules was possible to use your 125 for the practical test, no need to hire big 600cc bikes or to get training days, just pay the mod1 and 2 fees for £100 and voila you have the license which will be restricted for 2 years, but after 2 years will be full A.

Unfortunately that has changed, so no more self training and license on the cheap Evil or Very Mad

This was the old rule:

A practical test on a bike over 120cc but no more than 125cc and with a top speed of at least 62mph will qualify you for a standard category A motorcycle licence. You’ll be able to carry passengers and use motorways but will be restricted to a bike of up 33bhp (25kw) with a power-to-weight ratio up to 0.01bhp/lb (0.16kw/kg) for two years.

No more valid though...
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's rubbish. So that means you are forced to pay for training on a bigger bike unless you think you can hop off a 125 onto a bigger bike straight into the test. I suppose that if you are happy riding a bike between 125-600 there is nothing for that.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bene wrote:
That's rubbish. So that means you are forced to pay for training on a bigger bike unless you think you can hop off a 125 onto a bigger bike straight into the test. I suppose that if you are happy riding a bike between 125-600 there is nothing for that.


It is rubbish because they force you to hire big bikes and to pay for training,

say if you go for A2 license you need 395cc bike ofr the test and after that you need a new test on 695cc if you want full A license yes it is rubbish Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does make sense to give a license for the category of bike that you pass your test on. Where it falls apart is that the UK makes such a whopping big 3-part gold-plated deal out of giving out those licenses, while in a bizarrely schizoid way still allowing soLo riding on 125s.

Contrast with the happy sunny Eurocountries where you can still get a license just by riding around the block without dropping the fag from your mouth, regardless of what it says in some Directive.

MCN are just after reporting that some big training school chain (sorry, don't recall which one) have had no A2 candidates since the new test kicked in, and I'll go ahead and assume no A1s either. So that's nobody under 24. None. At all.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It does make sense to give a license for the category of bike that you pass your test on. Where it falls apart is that the UK makes such a whopping big 3-part gold-plated deal out of giving out those licenses, while in a bizarrely schizoid way still allowing soLo riding on 125s.

Contrast with the happy sunny Eurocountries where you can still get a license just by riding around the block without dropping the fag from your mouth, regardless of what it says in some Directive.

MCN are just after reporting that some big training school chain (sorry, don't recall which one) have had no A2 candidates since the new test kicked in, and I'll go ahead and assume no A1s either. So that's nobody under 24. None. At all.


Sounds like a case of rip off nanny Britain again. Fellow Europeans must think we're mad.

I only want a 250 bike eventually. It's not asking the earth but it seems there are so many hoops to jump though it's ridiculous.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It does make sense to give a license for the category of bike that you pass your test on. Where it falls apart is that the UK makes such a whopping big 3-part gold-plated deal out of giving out those licenses, while in a bizarrely schizoid way still allowing soLo riding on 125s.

Contrast with the happy sunny Eurocountries where you can still get a license just by riding around the block without dropping the fag from your mouth, regardless of what it says in some Directive.

MCN are just after reporting that some big training school chain (sorry, don't recall which one) have had no A2 candidates since the new test kicked in, and I'll go ahead and assume no A1s either. So that's nobody under 24. None. At all.


I agree to disagree here, it does not make any sense to me, for a car I can pass my test on 50HP Citroen C1 and then to go and buy a 800 HP Ferrari, why for bike is different? It is not consistent.

It would make sense to me if there is one category for standard bikes and advanced one for bikes over 100 HP and low wieght to power ratio, and only if they do the same for cars.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes sense if you're going to sub-categorise bikes in the first place.

There is a real world argument for doing that. Sure, you could buy (and insure) that 800bhp Ferrari. Go ahead, I'll wait.


Bene wrote:
Fellow Europeans must think we're mad.

Oh, for sure. Anecdotally, the countries that haven't bothered implementing the dictats of the 2nd Directive (50kph swerve / stop) let alone the 3rd are being fined about 100,000 Euros a year. Even if they ever pay it, that's insignificant compared to the costs of our mod 1 test centres that we scrambled to build to get a gold star from teacher.
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