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You can still take the tests on a 125, it's just that nobody will bother because it doesn't get you on a bigger bike, and there's "direct access" to the A2 category at 19 regardless of whether you got A1 or not.
A (aka A3) is direct access at 24 or 2 years after passing A2 i.e. a minimum of 21. But nobody will be able to go that progressive route until 2015 (i.e. 2 years after the A2 license becomes available).
It's going to be a lean couple of years for riding schools and no mistake. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 Posted: 11:54 - 17 Dec 2012 Post subject: Re: Can you take test on a 125 after Jan19th (over 24 yrs ol |
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Boozehawk wrote: | i've just read an article on the tests post Jan 19th in a magazine and it seems to suggest that after Jan 19th you have to take the test on a bigger bike. So I'm confused as I thought after Jan 19th you could take the test on a 125 just you can't ride anything bigger or more powerful without doing another test on a bigger bike. |
you can but you will get A1 license.
There are 3 test types: A1, A2 and A and you get the license depending on bike you use on the test.
Category A1: Motorcycle without side car, must be at least 120cc and no more than 125cc, power not to exceed 11kw (14.6bhp), Capable of at least 90km/h (55mph).
Category A2: A motorcycle without side car, of at least 395cc with a power output between 25 and 35 kW (33bhp and 46.6 bhp). No upper engine size limit, but the power to weight ratio must not exceed 0.2kW/kg and it must not be derived from a motorcycle of more than double its power. From the end of 2013 the power
requirement will change to between 20 and 35 kW
Category A: Motorcycle without side car, must be at least 595cc with a power output of at least 40kw or
(53.6bhp). ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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Boozehawk wrote: | If I screw up and don't pass my test (on a 125) before Jan 19th then I'm going to have to save my pennies and pay a training school to do DAS, so not so lean times for them. I would have thought the new rules would mean more business for schools. |
Long term, maybe.
Short term, they'll lose most of the 17 and 18 year olds overnight (beyond the CBT), and some of the 19-23 year olds who say "Frak that, I'm not paying DAS course costs to get half a license."
More cost, more complexity = fewer people bothering at all, or bothering to go beyond a CBT.
And as the DfT/DSA chose the dick move of requiring that A2 test bikes need to be in the 25-35kW range (rather than 25kw+ which is all the 3DLD requires) they'll have to run 3 different lots of bikes instead of 2 at the moment. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Bene wrote: | What's the latest on this?
If you take a test on a 125 is that all you can ride?
(Don't get me wrong at this stage I would be more than happy with any bike.) |
yes new rules are you need at least 595 on your practical test in order to get full A license, making full license very expensive, under old rules was possible to use your 125 for the practical test, no need to hire big 600cc bikes or to get training days, just pay the mod1 and 2 fees for £100 and voila you have the license which will be restricted for 2 years, but after 2 years will be full A.
Unfortunately that has changed, so no more self training and license on the cheap
This was the old rule:
A practical test on a bike over 120cc but no more than 125cc and with a top speed of at least 62mph will qualify you for a standard category A motorcycle licence. You’ll be able to carry passengers and use motorways but will be restricted to a bike of up 33bhp (25kw) with a power-to-weight ratio up to 0.01bhp/lb (0.16kw/kg) for two years.
No more valid though... ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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It does make sense to give a license for the category of bike that you pass your test on. Where it falls apart is that the UK makes such a whopping big 3-part gold-plated deal out of giving out those licenses, while in a bizarrely schizoid way still allowing soLo riding on 125s.
Contrast with the happy sunny Eurocountries where you can still get a license just by riding around the block without dropping the fag from your mouth, regardless of what it says in some Directive.
MCN are just after reporting that some big training school chain (sorry, don't recall which one) have had no A2 candidates since the new test kicked in, and I'll go ahead and assume no A1s either. So that's nobody under 24. None. At all. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | It does make sense to give a license for the category of bike that you pass your test on. Where it falls apart is that the UK makes such a whopping big 3-part gold-plated deal out of giving out those licenses, while in a bizarrely schizoid way still allowing soLo riding on 125s.
Contrast with the happy sunny Eurocountries where you can still get a license just by riding around the block without dropping the fag from your mouth, regardless of what it says in some Directive.
MCN are just after reporting that some big training school chain (sorry, don't recall which one) have had no A2 candidates since the new test kicked in, and I'll go ahead and assume no A1s either. So that's nobody under 24. None. At all. |
I agree to disagree here, it does not make any sense to me, for a car I can pass my test on 50HP Citroen C1 and then to go and buy a 800 HP Ferrari, why for bike is different? It is not consistent.
It would make sense to me if there is one category for standard bikes and advanced one for bikes over 100 HP and low wieght to power ratio, and only if they do the same for cars. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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It makes sense if you're going to sub-categorise bikes in the first place.
There is a real world argument for doing that. Sure, you could buy (and insure) that 800bhp Ferrari. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Bene wrote: | Fellow Europeans must think we're mad. |
Oh, for sure. Anecdotally, the countries that haven't bothered implementing the dictats of the 2nd Directive (50kph swerve / stop) let alone the 3rd are being fined about 100,000 Euros a year. Even if they ever pay it, that's insignificant compared to the costs of our mod 1 test centres that we scrambled to build to get a gold star from teacher. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 234 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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