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PostPosted: 10:37 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Best way to measure DB of bike Reply with quote

Hi all, what is the most accurate way of measuring how loud my exhaust is whilst riding. I have only been using the app on my phone and I had it in my outside pocket with the front of the phone (and presumably the mic) facing outwards.
It came back at 101, but thought it would be a lot higher as that is still within the legal limit?
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

has to be measured behind the bike, approximately 50cm from the exhaust outlet at an oblique angle.

That's what they do at MSV circuits anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a free app ?
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
has to be measured behind the bike, approximately 50cm from the exhaust outlet at an oblique angle.

That's what they do at MSV circuits anyway.


That, you'll need 2 people, I think they ask for 2/3 max revs too.

Was awesome at Brands, they said idle it at just over 4000rpm for me.

Came back, said try 3000rpm.

Said. Mmmm it will have to do but if you get flagged please come off, its quite far over the limit. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phone apps are just for fun, proper sound testing is done with serious kit and as said above at 2/3 revs at about half a meter and at an oblique angle.
Most tracks work on 105 Db max, Brighton Speed Trials are 110 Db.
They also put a sort of spring on your can during the test that vibrates, this may or may not measure your revs.
However the law says that your pipe should be no louder than factory (or it used to).
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

That, you'll need 2 people, I think they ask for 2/3 max revs too.


5000 for litre bikes and 7000 for 600s is how they normally do it at trackdays..
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to know, ta! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride Faster, noise will be behind you! Innit! Laughing

oh, and on a serious note, Maplin used to do a fairly accurate hand held decibel meter, don't know if they still do.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

we use the maplin decibel meter at the track

we work to 84 at a range of 30cm behind the bike on the 125s and a bit higher on the 250s

most four stroke 450s had to be banned as they were too loud and we were getting 140 odd decibels at a range of 50 metres and then the enviromentel health got called and we lost ten meets a year
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
we use the maplin decibel meter at the track

we work to 84 at a range of 30cm behind the bike on the 125s and a bit higher on the 250s

most four stroke 450s had to be banned as they were too loud and we were getting 140 odd decibels at a range of 50 metres and then the enviromentel health got called and we lost ten meets a year


I would sugest your meter was crap or you were doing it wrong 140 Db is a jet aircraft engine at 30M this chart
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
has to be measured behind the bike, approximately 50cm from the exhaust outlet at an oblique angle.

That's what they do at MSV circuits anyway.


They actually do it right at the exhaust most places now and at the below revs:

supZ wrote:
5000 for litre bikes and 7000 for 600s is how they normally do it at trackdays..

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PostPosted: 18:59 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
we use the maplin decibel meter at the track

we work to 84 at a range of 30cm behind the bike on the 125s and a bit higher on the 250s

most four stroke 450s had to be banned as they were too loud and we were getting 140 odd decibels at a range of 50 metres and then the enviromentel health got called and we lost ten meets a year


I would sugest your meter was crap or you were doing it wrong 140 Db is a jet aircraft engine at 30M this chart


According to that 10db is 'double' the loudness, I was always under the impressions that it was 3db(or 5, one of those)?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:12 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
I would sugest your meter was crap or you were doing it wrong 140 Db is a jet aircraft engine at 30M this chart


The dB measurement scale is logarithmic, not linear.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
They actually do it right at the exhaust most places now and at the below revs:


No, they don't. The thing they stick on the end of the exhaust is a measuring stick, the actual microphone is on the other end.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a decent idea for once Very Happy Might be worth popping into a decent music shop they will have quality db meters to measure any kit they hire out .pop them a few quid i'm sure they will take a reading of your bike for you Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys im a race event sound tester.

For testing, hold the DB meter at 50cm and 45degrees from the exhaust with any wind direction blowing engine noise AWAY from the meter (Aka back up the exhaust)

For RPMs see here

https://www.clubmsv.com/bike-testing-noise-limits

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PostPosted: 23:42 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

There is more than one DB scale, so make sure you are using the right one (not sure but think the difference is how is biases noise levels from different frequencies).

Measuring in your pocket will be pretty meaningless. Way too much difference caused by position relative to the exhaust, and on top of that there is wind noise to screw up the readings.

For circuits they use a pretty crude reading, with the noise meter in a particular position relative the exhaust at some set rpm. The details may well vary between different circuits.

For road noise tests it is done very differently. Not really any chance of getting an accurate measure of that in a random place with a phone app.

All the best

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PostPosted: 07:05 - 03 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Red Devil wrote:
They actually do it right at the exhaust most places now and at the below revs:


No, they don't. The thing they stick on the end of the exhaust is a measuring stick, the actual microphone is on the other end.


That would make sense actually! Just presumed the mic was on the end.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 03 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:

According to that 10db is 'double' the loudness, I was always under the impressions that it was 3db(or 5, one of those)?


10dB more sounds twice as loud, but is 10 times the power. 3dB would be double the power, but doesn't sound twice as loud. So in audio terms, running 10W into a speaker sounds twice as loud as 1W.

I don't know how accurate a phone app would be, but it ought to give you a halfway reasonable number. Not when it's in your pocket though, the jacket will reduce the levels a bit.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 03 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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There is more than one DB scale, so make sure you are using the right one (not sure but think the difference is how is biases noise levels from different frequencies).

Measuring in your pocket will be pretty meaningless. Way too much difference caused by position relative to the exhaust, and on top of that there is wind noise to screw up the readings.

For circuits they use a pretty crude reading, with the noise meter in a particular position relative the exhaust at some set rpm. The details may well vary between different circuits.

For road noise tests it is done very differently. Not really any chance of getting an accurate measure of that in a random place with a phone app.

All the best

Keith


Aye, there is a A, B and C etc. dB measurement scales.

Phone app just a toy. Maplin dB meter is a more expensive toy.

I have use of both. They give a fairly inaccurate/unstable reading of stable noise.

A 'proper' meter will be about £500 and above as they are jammed full of filters and stuff and require regular calibration.

Phone in pocket? Was that Rustle I heard?
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
The dB measurement scale is logarithmic, not linear.


This is why a 100 watt guitar amp will not sound twice as loud as a 50 watt one, and you need twice the power for each octave down you go to sound as loud.
this is why bass players amps are usually higher wattage than the guitarists.
the spread of sound is important too, a larger bore exhaust will sound louder, in the same way a 100 watt twin speaker amp will sound louder than a 100 watt single speaker one.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i.p.phrealy wrote:
bazza wrote:
The dB measurement scale is logarithmic, not linear.


This is why a 100 watt guitar amp will not sound twice as loud as a 50 watt one, and you need twice the power for each octave down you go to sound as loud.
this is why bass players amps are usually higher wattage than the guitarists.
the spread of sound is important too, a larger bore exhaust will sound louder, in the same way a 100 watt twin speaker amp will sound louder than a 100 watt single speaker one.


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