Witnessed my first crash

[Andrew_]

Going down the road behind a car and another bike (Aprilla RS). The bike was positioned to the right of the lane, inline with the car r/mirror.
Two speed bumps came up ahead, then the car swerves to left in attempt to go over the speed bump closest to the pavement. Whilst the driver swerves to the left, the guy on the aprilla rs tries and overtake, only to be met by the side of the ford fiesta as the driver in car swerves right after going over the hump.

Was pretty nasty, first time I've ever seen gravel rash and human bone .
Staying with the rider added 20 minutes to my journey, hope he would of done the same for me.
Now since I've given him my details is there a possibility of me having to go to court as a witness? and is the biker at fault?

[i.p.phrealy]

default stance of cause.
The Biker Is Never At Fault!
unless he actually is, but that never happens anyway!
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[covent.gardens]

Human bone? On a road with speedbumps? I wouldn't have thought he'd be going that fast, and basic protection should stop that?! What was he wearing?

Probably a bit of 50/50, the car driver shouldn't be swerving all over the show and the biker shouldn't really have overtaken but he probably thought the car had seen him and was moving over to the left for him, or something. Not many minor cases end up in court, doubt it'll get that far.

[Andrew_]

[thepuma]

and another!
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[BigDan1190]

Fuck that, the sounds like the car driver did nothing wrong and its shouldn't be 50/50 because the idiot chav clearly wasn't overtaking safely - and clearly has no road experience but most car drivers will re-position before and after speed bumps.

[mospeed]

Speedbumps are a traffic calming measure, usually in a 20mph zone, if he was doing about 40, i'd say it was his fault. Sorry

[DonDino]

[Andy_Pagin]

Suicidal overtake attempt, anyone with half a brain would have foreseen what the cager would do.
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[darthbuttchin]

It does sound like the rider was being stupid here.

Nevertheless, seeing a bike crash for the first time is a pretty nasty experience. The only one I've seen *touch wood it stays that way* was along the main road of the village I went to high school in. I was walking home from school, and the biker was coming towards me, when I saw the car shoot out of a side road without looking. Biker hits the car as there was no time to swerve and he goes over the top of the car, fortunately not into the path of oncoming cars. Bikes ricocheted off the car and hit the deck, spinning. Biker's laying there, but fortunately he is moving a little. Car driver gets out and see's to him, other car drivers stop and try to sort the bike out. I did offer to leave my details as a witness, but they declined - I was only 14 at the time.

Pretty nasty thing to see, but didn't put me off fortunately.

As a side note, when you come off because of a cyclist, never expect them to stop and help you. Bastards.
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[DottyDuck]

[Snorty]

Sounds like a hard lesson learned.

It's a shame it took a crash for him to learn it. I have had "lessons" from near misses where I've thought "I won't do that again" but this one was kind of self-explanatory for anybody with any forward thinking.
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[calyx]

The biker must have thought that the cager is pulling over. Or he has just been plain stupid.

Considering the highway code, unfortunately the biker is not at fault again. Cager swerved to avoid a traffic calming measure. Which is a no no. Then he didn't check his mirror before joining the road. Another no no. + Swerving for no reason should be "driving without due care" me thinks.
Biker was stupid but the cagers must know that the bikes do exist and they overtake you if you give them space.
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[BigDan1190]

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[BigDan1190]

I tend to drive to the right hand side of the lane so I have a good view of what is ahead. Forward planning.

If you drive to the right hand side of the lane, and come across a speed bump, only the two wheels on the left will go over it. So you have to pull in slightly to go over it as nice and gentle as possible.

Do you even drive?

Bikers moan all the time that car drivers don't know what its like to be on a bike - but its vice versa. So many bikers don't drive, and therefore are in NO position to lecture car drivers how to drive either.

So shut the fuck up unless you have good knowledge of both methods of transport.

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[T0MMY]

Clearly the biker's fault. If a bike swerved round a speed bump (as many do, including me) then got taken out by a car instantly trying to fill the gap then we'd all be up in arms about it.
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[pepperami]

Biker must of left his brain at home???.................. All cagers are a threat to bikers safety, that`s a given Even the nice ones who dont mean to cause us harm.
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[Kradmelder]

I often over take on speed bumps and take them easy at 60 kmh standing on the pegs. Most cages swerve left for the bumps. But I wont stay in the lane where the cage was/is/ will be. I overtake on the line or the oncoming lane. Bleery stupid to compete for space with a cage. It is quite obvious the cage would return to the centre of his lane afterwards.
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[BigDan1190]

[sidewinder]

This was drummed into me during training.If your following a car or what ever and there is a hazard ahead road calming measures speed bumps junctions always wait until the car has passed it then decide if overtaking is safe to do not before. better waste a few more seconds and arrive safe then finish up in hospital bed or worse.it's all about survivals out there folks
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[BigDan1190]

Yeah, most of my karma is actually good - but I started voting down illuminateTHEmind's posts - and they all got revoked, which really fucked up my karma.

It'll be back green in no time