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The supermarkets reject the weird shapes because you, the customer, reject the weird shapes. Perhaps not personally you, but people on average.
I know I go for the meat at the back of the fridge that has the longest sell by date.
Anyway, food in the UK is cheap. Arguing that we need to donate it to people within the UK is nonsense. If anyone goes hungry in the UK, then that's a problem that needs to be addressed via welfare, personal finances. (Perhaps mental health help for some.)
There's always nonsense on the news about someone 'struggling to feed themselves', and you find so much bollocks going on like prepay electric meters, mobile phone contracts, 2 bed house when 1 would suffice, etc.
Reduction in living quality? Sure. Going hungry? No.
Foreign aid would make sense, but it's not quite as easy as 'send a ship to a country with food on it'. The people you want to get the food won't get the food.
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It's the consumer buying too much, not us producing too much IMO. |
That makes no sense at all. We are buying too much not producing too much? If we didnt produce too much we wouldnt be buying too much in the first place! We can only buy in such excess because too much is being produced than we know what to do with.
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Anyway, food in the UK is cheap. Arguing that we need to donate it to people within the UK is nonsense. If anyone goes hungry in the UK, then that's a problem that needs to be addressed via welfare, personal finances. (Perhaps mental health help for some.) |
Thats a lovely world you live in. When I was a kid I remember, not long after we had to relocate to Belfast after father told her he wanted a divorce leaving us homeless with no other option but to go to where her family were, feeding us and telling me and my sister she'll eat later because she's not hungry. Truth of the matter was she was hungry but did not have enough money to feed all of us and she made sure we had a proper meal even if it was just beans on toast with a sausage or 2.
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There's always nonsense on the news about someone 'struggling to feed themselves', and you find so much bollocks going on like prepay electric meters, mobile phone contracts, 2 bed house when 1 would suffice, etc.
Reduction in living quality? Sure. Going hungry? No.
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Go tell that to the bloke you walked past with the blanket in the town centre yesterday. Go down to the local homeless centre and tell them they need to organize their finances better. Some of these people do not have finances to organize. It can be very hard to get welfare when you have no fixed abode and no paper trail. Go to the local refuge where that poor lady who used to get beaten by her bloke ran to to save herself and her kids from her abusive partner that she needs to sort her finances out.
I'm talking about big companies throwing stuff away simply because they cannot, by law, sell things after their best before date. Best before date is different than use by. As Chris pointed out. He's seen first hand the wastage that goes on in Supermarkets.
So how are supermarkets throwing out so much produce if WE are buying too much and wasting it? Yes us as consumers are the biggest source of food waste in the UK but supermarkets promote this with their BOGOF deals. Families tend to go mad for them and buy double the amount and it ends up in the bin.
| Quote: | Britain's supermarkets generate 300,000 tonnes of food waste every year, but three of the big four refuse to reveal their individual figures. Channel 4 News asks why? |
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| Derivative wrote: | Pinky, with all respect, I simply don't agree.
As a homeless person you can receive benefits through the jobcentre. There are basic bank accounts available to all. |
To open a bank account you need a couple of things. ID is required at all times AND a living address. Most places require proof of address in the form of a utility bill.
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But not being able to afford food? Come on now. A diet which could be considered reasonably healthy costs three pounds per day.
'Not going hungry', as in, tin of beans, new potatoes, bit of bread, etc costs less than a quid a day. |
Do me a menu plan because I would be interested to know how I can feed my family for £3 per head per day healthily. My mother, as said in my last post, went without to make sure we were fed. It happened and it still happens in this day and age. There are families that struggle out there and they budget well enough for their food and then something happens. A kid needs a new pair of shoes as their current ones have worn out. Thats £15 that has to be found out of a budget that was just about covering them. When it comes down to a choice of sending your kids to school in a new uniform because the old ones are too small and eating what would you choose? It is an every day reality for people.
| Derivative wrote: | And I'm unsure about calling unharvested crops 'wasted'. Surely they return most of their nutrients to the soil? Or are we picking them and chucking them in landfill? More details needed, really. |
Put it another way. Food that is perfectly edible not being eaten. Whether it ends up in landfill or back in the soil is irrelevant in my opinion when there are people going without. Feel free to go read the report yourself. Its a long one and I've worked my way through quite a bit of it. Its in the link posted, help yourself. ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
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| pinkyfloyd wrote: | Do me a menu plan because I would be interested to know how I can feed my family for £3 per head per day healthily. |
I'm pretty sure I posted this before. I can't really be bothered because 'healthy' is a nebulous concept, but think about broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, potatoes, chicken, ham, tuna, bread and pasta, cereal and milk. Stuff like that. Can be done for 15 quid a week. I lived most of last year on that.
I mean, it's not going to get you gourmet stuff but it's a start.
As far as I'm concerned though, in a SHTF situation, eating healthily can wait. If you find yourself with little money for a few months, having a few fatty meals here and there isn't going to kill you. The body is more resilient than we give it credit.
To me, 'going hungry' is not the polar opposite of 'eating like a Queen'. It means actually not having 2k calories, a bit of fat and a bit of protein each day.
In my view it's harder to find the time to eat healthily than it is the money. Making decent meals takes effort, time to buy the ingredients (as fresh stuff goes off), half an hour and washing up time to cook a meal, etcetera. Plus, you actually need a kitchen for many healthy meals. With an oven that works. And so on.
| Quote: | Whether it ends up in landfill or back in the soil is irrelevant in my opinion when there are people going without. |
I don't really think that's fair.
The bottleneck on producing food is fertilizer and transportation infrastructure.
It's not like we (as in, the world) have a shortage of arable land. Not yet, anyway.
Also, school shoes don't cost 15 quid. Not in my working class city, anyway.
https://www.postoffice.co.uk/post-office-card-account as far as I am aware can be set up without an address.
Benefits can be paid in there.
When I say 'lack of financial planning', don't translate it into 'moron'. That's not my intent. My point is that our focus should be on educating people, on having support there for the homeless to rebuild their lives by teaching them how to get back on their feet. Not throwing food and hostels at them. |
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| pinkyfloyd wrote: | Theres been cases of supermarkets taking people to court for theft because they were caught stealing out of the bins. Taking rubish that the supermarket did not want anyways. They would rather it go to landfill or somewhere than help someone out. |
You presumably know the reasoning for this, though. If you've ever seen people hawking the guy with the 'reduced' sticker gun, you're looking at it. People will wait for the reductions. There's a sandwich shop near me that does half price food 15 mins before closing time. People pile in - but how many of them would have bought it at full price?
| Quote: | Education is the key, agreed. But its not just the struggling that need educated. Its everyone. We are a throw away nation. Mrs Pinky and I will buy the BOGOF offers but only if we are sure we are going to use the product. We'll happily use food thats past its best before date. We'll happily freeze meat to use after its use by date. Everyone needs educated in how to control their food waste. Thats everyone from Mr Cheap to Mr Rich and Mr supermarket. |
Only if you believe food is expensive as a result of shortages and not other factors like transportation and labour costs.
I don't think that reducing food waste would significantly affect the price of food.
And I don't think even, say, a 20% change in the price of food would significantly affect affordability, because it's not the most expensive item out there. We spend less on food than at pretty much any time in recorded history.
Graph for the US (I can't find one offhand for the UK, but it can't be that far off):
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/TC9NcrJvG0I/AAAAAAAAN3Y/S8hwBzi_3uk/s1600/food.jpg
Educating people that wonky carrots are fine is a non-starter. Yes, we know they're fine. But it's a bit like telling someone that they don't need to live in a nice house, they could just live in an apartment. And they both cost the same. Why would anyone choose the latter?
Though, it would be good to see both 'class 1' and 'class 2' carrots, for example. Wonky carrots for 70p/kg, non-wonky for 1.00/kg (numbers made up). |
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| pinkyfloyd wrote: | I read your profile, seems your interested in economics. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 94 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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