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PostPosted: 14:04 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Buying category B bikes from auctions Reply with quote

Is there any law regarding purchasing category B bikes from salvage companies.

Essentially, I'm interested in an engine and wheels from a cat B. It ABI category is "BREAKERS" so does this mean I could not buy it? Thinking

Do not want to put it on the road either way, would take what I need and weigh the remainder in.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to a quick search (plus stuff I already sorta knew), it would seem that the bike as a whole may not be resold if it is a Category B Write-off. However, the bike may be stripped of it's parts, which may then be resold.

So, from what I can glean from there, you can buy the engine and the wheels (as in your case) but not the entire bike.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthbuttchin wrote:
So, from what I can glean from there, you can buy the engine and the wheels (as in your case) but not the entire bike.


Well choice is entire bike, or nothing Laughing It could go back on the road... but I just want the 2 bits required Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To quote practically every student from my school in Essex ' I don't get it'.

So far as I'm aware, Category B write-offs cannot go back on the road?

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Put simply, categories A and B should never re-appear on the road.


from - https://www.motor.org.uk/magazine/articles/write-offs-back-on-the-road-459.html

So, it would seem it's either buy the bits you want, or let someone else have them.

Whether the rules can be bent, and you bought the engine whilst it's still attached to the rest of the bike is another matter.

End of the day though, I suppose there's no harm in trying to buy it. Worst case scenario, you get told 'no'. Otherwise, you get the parts you want, some bits you could flog, and bits of metal you can throw at people passing your house, or sell to the pikeys. Win win.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Should" not "Must"

You can chuck it on the road again.

I'd even have it as an off road thing, ideal. But the engine is my gold dust right now Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh good point.

Well, if it's the right price, take a shot at it.

Like I said, can only get told 'No', right?
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's the site you emailed me about, they want you to have the appropriate waste disposal licence or they'll refuse the sale Sad

Emailed you T&Cs... BCF wouldn't let me post them Confused
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So find someone with a waste licence, register as them, buy bike. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should work Smile Seems to only say the person picking up the bike needs to have the licence. Find someone with licence, beer money to pick up, you have bike. Should work right?
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked into this a lot and what I was almost sure of is that

Class B and A MUST NOT go back on the road, they can only be salvaged for parts.
Class C and D can go back on the road as long as there's a valid MOT etc.

I will hunt for catsup

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Essentially, I'm interested in an engine and wheels from a cat B. It ABI category is "BREAKERS" so does this mean I could not buy it?

You should be fine buying parts.
I think it's purely the frame/chassis that it 'rides on', frame damage is a class B, everything else like forks etc will make it a class C
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catsup as in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biW2i9yK-10 ?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthbuttchin wrote:

as in sauce, or source Wink

MCE says "a CAT B write off can be broken for parts, but the FRAME has to be DESTROYED."
Seems legit.

I think Cat A must be crushed - hence why you never see any!
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCE are gay though.

Pretty sure (95%) that you can put one back on the road, no law against it.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
MCE are gay though.

Pretty sure (95%) that you can put one back on the road, no law against it.

Meant to say MCN...still gay though


https://www.motorcycledirectory.co.uk/articles/write-off-or-not-write-off.html

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Category A - May not be resold. Entire motorcycle must be crushed. Total burnout or flood damage (salt or foul water). Severely damaged with no serviceable parts, or already stripped out shell. DVLA require "Notification of Destruction".

Category B - Motorcycle itself may not be resold. Damaged beyond economical repair, usually with severe structural/frame damage. DVLA require "Notification of Destruction". Parts can be removed and sold.

I think you're just wishful thinking Pads Thumbs Up

Still looking for source on DVLA, useless cunts, make pedantic laws and don't make them easily accessible so we can follow them Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Still looking for source on DVLA, useless cunts, make pedantic laws and don't make them easily accessible so we can follow them Rolling Eyes


The DVLA can say whatever they like, doesn't make it the law. Just because they say something doesn't make it true Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
Still looking for source on DVLA, useless cunts, make pedantic laws and don't make them easily accessible so we can follow them Rolling Eyes


The DVLA can say whatever they like, doesn't make it the law. Just because they say something doesn't make it true Thumbs Up

Well DVLA/DSA/GOV/Whatever

If you re-registered it it'd be fine...But as you say just for parts you're fine anyway, long as you don't use the frame.
Looking for actual LAW though...why is this so difficult Crying or Very sad

I see what you're saying though, it's an insurance write-off, if they don't look at it it doesnt get written off. My YBR would have probably been a class B had insurance inspected it, but they didn't I just had it bent back Razz

https://www.motorcycle.co.uk/articles/insurance/insurance-writeoff-categories
More sites saying what I am with no LAWWWW
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC, there is no actual law stating that CAT A/B vehicles can't go back on the road. However the DVLA like to think they can make up laws and the same for Insurers who wont insure a CAT A/B vehicle.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a cat B write off ntv once, didnt realise it at the time so applied for logbook.

3 weeks later get a knock on my door its a dvla inspector asking to see the bike, he tells me its a cat B and should have been destroyed, checks frame engine and reg number says yep its all clear now.

A week later new v5 logbook arrives, I mot the bike tax it then sold it to a geezer who rode it away, I went out to find him at the end of my street swapping plates on it lol

Anyhooo cat B can go back on the road according to dvla but if you crash you wont get a payout on the value of the bike because officially it has non.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should answer, from the home office site:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abi.org.uk%2Finformation%2Fcodes_and_guidance_notes%2F40510.pdf&ei=ZTX0UJ7GFqbs0gWNjYGADA&usg=AFQjCNFE9LcmICcgY71nt9Bp1-OC6d__bw

Key point

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Category B must be
treated as Category A
once reusable parts
have been removed.
THE BODYSHELL/
FRAME/CHASSIS
MUST BE CRUSHED

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PostPosted: 17:38 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: long link is loooooooong Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
This should answer, from the home office site:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abi.org.uk%2Finformation%2Fcodes_and_guidance_notes%2F40510.pdf&ei=ZTX0UJ7GFqbs0gWNjYGADA&usg=AFQjCNFE9LcmICcgY71nt9Bp1-OC6d__bw

Key point

Quote:
Category B must be
treated as Category A
once reusable parts
have been removed.
THE BODYSHELL/
FRAME/CHASSIS
MUST BE CRUSHED

Sounds familiar Thinking

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