2013 license changes & Reliant Robins

[arniec]

Hello all! First post, but (very) long time site reader.

I passed my A2 test in May 2009. No car license. So I've now got a full category A license, along with K & P entitlements. Until recently, I was under the impression that I couldn't drive a Reliant Robin, as they fell under the B1 category, and since around the turn of the millenium you no longer got B1 when you passed your bike text.

However, I've been informed that the 2013 EU license changes mean I now *can* drive a Robin on a category A license, as B1 only relates to four wheel light vehicles, and A now includes 'motor tricycles with a power output more than 35kW', according to https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories

I'm minded to believe the gov.uk website, but I don't suppose anyone has any information on this?

I'm prepared to be mocked for considering a Robin, but looking out of the window at the snow is making me question the wisdom of two wheels...

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[bikertomm]

Surely if you passed before all this third directive bollocks came in then that's how it will stay..

I don't think it means you can now drive a reliant robin, it means people that pass their test now as it's changed can?

Could be wrong,
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[Cadbury]

I looked into this a while ago, and i'm inclined to believe you can, as it just says 'A' for tricycles:

https://www.gov.uk/changes-to-the-driving-licence-and-categories

Also, the other new category AM will be added,

[N cee thirty]

so we can drive a reliant robin on the full A license?
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[bikertomm]

What a joke that you can drive that at 16 on a moped licence..

Think of the cocks and danger they are going to cause limited to that speed.. if some teenager decides to go to college down a NSL country road it's going to fuck up all sorts.

Sort it out UK..
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[lllN30lll]

i've got the category details from the gov.uk - they have just been updated to this:

Category A

You can drive:

motorbikes with a power output more than 35kW or a power to weight ratio more than 0.2kW/kg.
motorbikes with power not more than 35kW and with a power to weight ratio not more than 0.2kW/kg if the bike is derived from a vehicle of more than double its power
motor tricycles with a power output more than 35kW
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[wots]

Look at the date of the 'Telegraph' review on this page

https://www.aixam.co.uk/en/neil-lyndon-from-the-sunday-telegraph-reviews-the-aixam-coupe-s



EDIT: In fact the dates on the press page are all over the place. I think they had the Daily Mail Online proof read it!

https://www.aixam.co.uk/en/press/news
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[krarkol]

My guess is that technically you can't unless you got your licence after 19th January.

I'd probably risk it as the licence clearly has "A" on it meaning you have your full bike licence and moped licence. If you are still restricted you'll also have the "<=25kw" so you have the best of both worlds in a sense
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[Paulington]

From what I understand and have posted in previous threads about this, is that your licence category will not change and you retain your "Grandfather Rights" if you will but the new category laws apply to you as they do anyone else.

I.e. if you have full A category licence but no B/B1 prior to the 3DLD implementation, you can't drive trikes, but after, as you have a full A licence, then you can.

Same with if you have a a B/B1 licence but no A prior to 3DLD, you can drive trikes before and after the 3DLD implementation, even though you have no category "A" beforehand, they add the category "A" with a tricycle only code.

My question is, on the V5 for a Reliant Robin, is it listed as a "Motor Tricycle"?

To quote myself in a previous posted:

If you have these combinations BEFORE January 19th, you can do/ride the following:

A: Come Jan 19th you can ride full power motorcycles and tricycles plus you get the "AM" entitlement meaning you can ride quadricycles not exceeding 350kg and a top speed not more than 28mph.

So, yes, if the Reliant Robin is classed as a "Motor Tricycle" on the V5, I would say it's fine, and even if it isn't then I would still say it's fine.

Also, just to state, as above, you can still drive trikes even if you don't have an "A" category licence if you had B/B1 category prior to the 3DLD implementation, you just get the category "A" pop up on your new licence with a "tricycles only" code next to it.

I think yes, you can drive a Reliant Robin on a full Category A now, however, why not ring the DVLA and ask?

As for that Aixam, great idea but the whole "moped" stuff is bonkers. Mopeds restricted to 30mph were dangerous enough but now making it so they can't even hit 30mph legally? Having them restricted to 30mph is fine as long as they are restricted to certain roads, namely no dual carriageways. A better limit would be no 50/60/70 limits (50/NSL) however I can't see that being implemented easily.

Personally I think they should have just gotten rid of the moped restriction all together and just let them have up to 125cc motorcycles limited to 11kW, just like the 17 year olds are allowed, it means they can keep up with traffic, also, making the CBT a bit more comprehensive, I saw people on my CBT gain the certificate and now realize they were completely unprepared for road riding.

No system is perfect, but making some if not the most risky riders drive around on machines with zero power so much so that they can't even keep up with residential traffic is not the answer, either give them 125s or make mopeds limited to 50mph instead of 30mph as that way they aren't a massive danger to others due to their very low speed.

The 3DLD seems to have done nothing but complicate things, make the Government more money and make new riders even harder done by. .

Cheers! .
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[lllN30lll]

Existing motorcycle and tricycle riders

If you already have full motorcycle entitlement, it won't change under the new EU rules. Anyone who passed a practical category A motorcycle test before 19 January 2013 will still be restricted to a motorcycle of 25kW for two years from the date of test pass.However, from 19 January 2013, if you want to ride a larger motorcycle you will need to follow the new rules for motorcycle riders outlined below.Category B1 (quads and tricycles) will no longer be granted as a sub-category of category B and there will also be changes to how tricycle entitlements will be displayed on the licence.Existing tricycle riders will not lose their category B1 (trikes and quads) entitlement but it will be displayed differently on driving licences issued from 19 January 2013. It will be shown as category B1 and category A (restricted to tricycles), unless the rider already holds full A entitlement.

New motorcycle and tricycle riders from 19 January 2013

For new riders of motorcycles from 19 January 2013, the following new rules will apply:

Category A1 (small motorcycles up to 11kw - 125cc)

Category A1 covers small motorcycles with:a cylinder capacity not more than 125ccpower output not more than 11kW and a power/weight ratio not exceeding 0.1kW/kgmotor tricycles with a power not exceeding 15kWThe minimum age for A1 remains at 17 years.You will be required to have a valid CBT certificate and pass the motorcycle theory and practical tests to get this entitlement.

Category A2 (medium motorcycles up to 35kW)

Category A2 covers medium sized motorcycles, with or without a sidecar, which have:an engine power output up to 35kWa power/weight ratio not exceeding 0.2kW/kg - the motorcycle must not be derived from a machine of more than double its powerThe minimum age for A2 is 19 years.There are two routes to get this motorcycle entitlement:progressive access – if you have a minimum of two years' experience on a category A1 motorcycle with a full licence, you can take the category A2 motorcycle testdirect access – you must be aged 19 years or over, hold a valid CBT certificate and pass the theory and practical category A2 motorcycle tests

Category A

Category A covers unrestricted motorcycles above 35kW and includes tricycles over 15kW.There are two routes to get this motorcycle entitlement:progressive access - you can get this category from aged 21 years, provided you have a minimum of two years' experience on a category A2 motorcycle with a full licence and pass the category A practical motorcycle testsdirect access - you must be at least 24 years old, have a valid CBT certificate (only if you do not have full entitlement to A1 or A2) and pass the theory and category A practical motorcycle testsPlease note that from 19 January 2013 all learner riders of category A2 and category A motorcycles must be accompanied by an Approved Motorcycle Instructor (AMI) at all times when riding on public roads.

Tricycles

You will need to follow the same rules if you wish to ride a tricycle that falls within these categories.Please note that tests for mopeds with three or four wheels, A1 and A tricycles and sidecar combinations will only be offered to people with disabilities.
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[arniec]

Thanks for all the posts, guys & gals. My reading of the rules make me think that it is now a category A vehicle so I can operate it, but as Paulington suggests, I'm going to get in touch with the DVLA to double check.

When I've got a definite answer, I'll let everyone know.

[lllN30lll]

Basically B1 has now merged into the A category. Catergory B1 is trikes, three wheelers (Robins) and Quads (400kg unladen or 550kg if they’re designed for carrying goods).
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[baggylastard]

You had a look how much Robins are on the trader for?

Anyone got a list of B1 "cars" that might be a bit more affordable?

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