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PostPosted: 18:39 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: insurance - estimated/predicted mileage Reply with quote

exceeding waht you put on the form. What baring does that have if you have to claim/they find out you went over?

I cant think of any legal grounds they can screw you over with it due to not being able to see the future and all that.

Any horror stories over mileage?
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

insurance being risk based i would say one of the biggest concerns IS mileage as the more your on the road the higher the likelihood of an accident regardless of how experienced somebody may be.. so best to be accurate as your insurance is based around a "statement of fact"
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes but you cannot be expected to state as fact a future event?
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id imagine if you put 8000 but did 9000 they probably wouldnt bat an eyelid. ..but, if you were to take the premium discount of stating you only did 2000 but you did 15000, then id imagine the result to be a bit different.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my insurance i do under 1000 miles a year, but then i have no intention of claiming on my own insurance so.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope, educated guess, like puma has said, if you say 8000 and do 15000 then the statement of fact is broken and would appear as if you lied on a statement of fact = invalid policy and no money refunded, if you do 8000 miles with 3 months left in the year, naturally you would inform your insurer and for the most part i bet the premium would remain the same
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reed wrote:
According to my insurance i do under 1000 miles a year, but then i have no intention of claiming on my own insurance so.


thats your perogative, i summise any 3rd party payout would indeed be paid, where would you stand ? would the insurer pursue you ??
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
Reed wrote:
According to my insurance i do under 1000 miles a year, but then i have no intention of claiming on my own insurance so.


thats your perogative, i summise any 3rd party payout would indeed be paid, where would you stand ? would the insurer pursue you ??


my insurer will be responsible for repairing their vehicle if it were my fault, not mine as i have third party fire and theft, and if it got stolen then A. i would not claim as it would put my insurance up. or B. claim, and as it is stolen, they can not prove my millage.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

And how many of your insurers know how many miles your bike is on?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
And how many of your insurers know how many miles your bike is on?

It's on MOTs now, so they could request those to get an idea?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They know the mileage of my bike, however I can just say a lot of the miles were on private/off road land and/or track days?
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bomberman wrote:
J.M. wrote:
And how many of your insurers know how many miles your bike is on?

It's on MOTs now, so they could request those to get an idea?


Yes, but it's not uncommon for MOTs to be renewed at a very different time to the insurance. I'm not sure that an odometer is required for an MOT even, so it could be simply taped over beforehand if you were worried?

You don't even need clocks for an MOT IIRC.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So am I right in thinking there is either very little or no legal grounds to screwed over by estimated mileage?
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:

Yes, but it's not uncommon for MOTs to be renewed at a very different time to the insurance. I'm not sure that an odometer is required for an MOT even, so it could be simply taped over beforehand if you were worried?

You don't even need clocks for an MOT IIRC.

Hmmm Neutral Not being a dick, I had to check myself but it's on there now so I've no idea how you'd get away without clocks.
And yes, MOT and insurance can be very different, but it's an easy check for them to try.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
They know the mileage of my bike, however I can just say a lot of the miles were on private/off road land and/or track days?


I've always wondered that, or if someone else was driving it via their insurance?
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

U_W v2.0 wrote:
So am I right in thinking there is either very little or no legal grounds to screwed over by estimated mileage?



Why do you keep saying legal grounds like you're a lawyer?

If you are doing more than what you have written down then technically you are breaching your insurance agreement, what I and others were trying to say is the likely hood they can find out is slim. The legalities? Well as very few on here are actually lawyers and may not have seen/got the notes of a case like this it is going to be difficult to get an exact answer.

In plain you're not doing what you agreed to. It is probably complex like the whole pillion cover scenario (whether it covers you as your pillion is a 3rd party...).
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The easiest way to look at it is, i'm saving money and it's unlikely they will find out. Smile
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmmm Neutral Not being a dick, I had to check myself but it's on there now so I've no idea how you'd get away without clocks.
And yes, MOT and insurance can be very different, but it's an easy check for them to try.


Yeah I realise that it's on there, it was on my last MOT sheet too. Although it is worth noting that the article you linked to does actually provide a sentence about replacement clocks:
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Where an earlier recorded mileage is higher than a later one this could be caused by for example a speedometer replacement


I'm unsure what they would do in the event of having no clocks then. Can anybody comment? The last I knew, it wasn't a requirement to have clocks even though they do record the mileage on the MOT.

I agree that it's an easy check to make, I'm just trying to say that it couldn't really be used as conclusive proof of the vehicle's mileage since taking out an insurance policy.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the size of the population is stands to reason that there is a good chance someone on this forum has some personal background and have dealt with insurance and mileage issues.

And I am pretty sure there is something in law that states you cannot be held liable for breaching something you have been asked to predict or similar. with all the laws this country has, if there isn't anything like that I'd be quite stunned.

My insurers currently cannot prove either way on it on account it's never needed an MOT (under 3 years old) so there is no documentation anywhere stating its mileage at the start of the policy.

I was merely curious.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tape over the speedo meter for MOT.......
i think some are talking crap if you go for insurance you ride the bike so you must know how many miles you do in a year so just be within a few thousand miles.If your bike is at an MOT age then in a crash like has been said,the insurance company could possibly check your last milage on the MOT cert and guage from that your milage.Never mind taping over it who does that ??????????? smart arse answers.if you want to be deceitful on your head be it,because next posting will be insurance will not pay out because I lied what to do now........
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

magpiemale wrote:
tape over the speedo meter for MOT.......
i think some are talking crap if you go for insurance you ride the bike so you must know how many miles you do in a year so just be within a few thousand miles.If your bike is at an MOT age then in a crash like has been said,the insurance company could possibly check your last milage on the MOT cert and guage from than.Never mind taping over it who does that ??????????? smart arse answers.if you want to be deceitful on your head be it,because next posting will be insurance will not pay out because I lied what to do now........


Unless your in your first year of riding and have no idea how many miles your going to do.

changing my mileage from 3000 to 6000 adds another £200 to the policy.

Also, full stop, space, capital letter, not full stop capital letter. I've been getting people to type out their CV's on computers from 1030 to 1730, I don't need to come home and remind someone who's been using computers long enough about basic use.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you likely to get a job this year? This will go one of two ways:

1: You don't. You will neither be riding to work nor have the money to travel very far.

OR

2: You do, and you will be upgrading to another bike before long I would imagine - in which case I would be far more bothered about if the insurer will charge for changing your policy and by how much, rather than the mileage.

What are your quotes coming back as, based on for example 3/5/10k miles?
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:

I agree that it's an easy check to make, I'm just trying to say that it couldn't really be used as conclusive proof of the vehicle's mileage since taking out an insurance policy.

Well it could quite easily if your MOT was after the date of your insurance commencement and you'd already broken the limit (looking at MOT and the clocks current reading).
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

current bike, 3000 miles, £250, current miles, 6000 bikes, £450 WITH 1 yrs NCB

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PostPosted: 19:45 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never known mileage to be a great factor in calculating insurance they do it as a guide I ride roughly 8000 miles a year and I can still get cheaper insurance around £240 mark for new 1000cc bike......as has been said if you ride it everyday even local and at weekends your gonna do 6-8000 miles anyway.
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