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PostPosted: 00:25 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Is it okay to ride near the limiter on a 125cc bike? Reply with quote

On a stretch of dual carriageway on the way back from work I usually ride my bike flat out near the limiter for 5 miles, apart from wearing my engine components faster am I risking blowing it up? It's a 4 stroke engine and the bike doesn't have a a rev counter.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a warm and maintained engine you won't have problems. But have some sympathy and ease off now and again.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The day i passed my test me and the girlfriend went for a ride up to the lakes and back, went there on the 'A' roads and came back on the motorway. That was a 50 mile journey on the m6 sat at 9,000rpm on a ybr 125. Like Iain said as long as you let off now and again it'l be fine aslong as its regularly serviced.

If you do manage to blow it up though, please come back and let us know Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
How do you know it's near the limiter if you have no rev counter?

YBR redlined at 10,000rpm, hit limiter around 10,500rpm. 10k in top gear, w/standard gearing is about 80mph indicated.

Honestly, if you're asking the question you already know the answer. Neutral


Because when I hit 70 mph it hits the limiter and the revs drop, it must be limited somehow, same when I am going through the gears.
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

HT wrote:
With a warm and maintained engine you won't have problems. But have some sympathy and ease off now and again.


I normally cruise at 55-60 when there is traffic as I don't have any pull above 60. On my way home late at night the roads are clear so I just full throttle the thing on the dual carriageway.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike sits at its top speed for 25 miles, twice a day, every day.
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My intruder was limited to 65, and that was usually full throttle on the motorway from Chepstow to Bristol (even managed an indicated 80 downhill with my face on the tank and feet on the rear pegs).... I imagine I wasn't the only person to thrash the engine on that bike and it had done about 30,000 when I sold it.

If you want to give the engine a bit of a break... pull in behind a van or lorry for a bit, you'll go from full throttle to between 1/4-1/2 throttle with the slipstream
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I take the 250 on the motorway it can get quite boring sat at 70 for long periods so I started doing little sprints. I tried long blasts at max revs but that got boring too and in the back of my mind I knew I was being cruel to the engine, so a blast now and again to keep both of us happy, and possibly makes me more alert.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_m wrote:
The day i passed my test me and the girlfriend went for a ride up to the lakes and back, went there on the 'A' roads and came back on the motorway. That was a 50 mile journey on the m6 sat at 9,000rpm on a ybr 125. Like Iain said as long as you let off now and again it'l be fine aslong as its regularly serviced.

If you do manage to blow it up though, please come back and let us know Thumbs Up


It's serviced and looked after well, although I do give it a thrashing through the gears all the time.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
My bike sits at its top speed for 25 miles, twice a day, every day.


Fair enough that was the answer I was looking for.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
When i was running my YBR as a courier bike it was more or less okay. However after passing my test i'd take the odd london job once or twice a week. As soon as i started doing that, come service time 400ml of oil came out, and a litre went back in.

Pushing any engine to it's limits WILL break it & blow it up. GS500's seem to do this at an indicated 110-120ish, and that wasnt on the limiter. Sure take it for the odd blast up to max speed & then back off it. Wont do it much harm.

Start smashing it along on the limiter all day every day however & it will eventually break.

4T 125 commuters are happiest cruising at around 60mph from what i've seen. What bike are we talking about?? If it's one of china's famous clones then i'd not push it as far as the limiter at all! Shocked


It is a suzuki dr 125 sm, the paint work is shocking but the engine, brakes and most other things seem okay. I just coat the thing in zinc oxide and paint it with hammerite all black when it starts to rust. I have pretty much re done all the frame and so far so good but the salt eats through everything Sad
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeisforliving wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:
My bike sits at its top speed for 25 miles, twice a day, every day.


Fair enough that was the answer I was looking for.


Doesn't mean its the right one.... Wink
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

125s should be fine - bigger singles tend to suffer more because they've got much bigger bits of metal spinning around.

Red line on a 125 is going to be similar to upper-mid revs on an R6 say, so I wouldn't worry too much if it's a half decent bike.

If it's a cheap Chinese bike, I suspcet it'll depend on whether the person assembling it got some the night before etc.
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

Doesn't mean its the right one.... Wink


Also doesn't mean its the wrong one either Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Is it okay to ride near the limiter on a 125cc bike? Reply with quote

lifeisforliving wrote:
On a stretch of dual carriageway on the way back from work I usually ride my bike flat out near the limiter for 5 miles, apart from wearing my engine components faster am I risking blowing it up? It's a 4 stroke engine and the bike doesn't have a a rev counter.


5 miles at 60mph will take 5 minutes.
5 miles at 55mph will take 5 minutes, 27 seconds
5 miles at 65mph will take 4 minutes, 36 seconds.

I doubt your motor has a 'limiter' it's just running out of puff, you might have a CDi that starts to retard the ignition beyond peak power; I doubt its killing sparks... And would tend to agree that 5 miles flat out probably wont do the thing too much harm.... provided its in reasonable fettle to start with..... thrashing bikes tends to be a good way to find where stuff's been neglected, or on the way out.

BUT.... come on! maxing the thing out for five miles? You are saving less than 50 seconds on your journey time, compared to sitting it out in the truck-lane.

STUFF whether you might trash your motor.... is 50 seconds worth putting your all into the over-taking lane and risking the wrath of the idiots in Bavarian-auto-Bahn-Bashers, and giving them yet another opportunity to have a pop at you, with ABSOLUTELY nothing left in reserve to help you get the fuck out the way?

Probably wont kill your bike; probably wont kill YOU.... but fifty seconds....... is it REALLY worth the hassle?
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:

Doesn't mean its the right one.... Wink


Also doesn't mean its the wrong one either Rolling Eyes


ha ha, well I have had it six months now and no sign yet of anything but I am a little worried it's a ticking time bomb like a 50cc scooter I use to own that was ridden flat out for a year then blew up, it did have 30,000 miles on it though plus a few performance parts (those were the days!).

How many miles has your 125 done, isn't it something like 79,000?
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PostPosted: 01:41 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Is it okay to ride near the limiter on a 125cc bike? Reply with quote

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lifeisforliving wrote:
On a stretch of dual carriageway on the way back from work I usually ride my bike flat out near the limiter for 5 miles, apart from wearing my engine components faster am I risking blowing it up? It's a 4 stroke engine and the bike doesn't have a a rev counter.


5 miles at 60mph will take 5 minutes.
5 miles at 55mph will take 5 minutes, 27 seconds
5 miles at 65mph will take 4 minutes, 36 seconds.

I doubt your motor has a 'limiter' it's just running out of puff, you might have a CDi that starts to retard the ignition beyond peak power; I doubt its killing sparks... And would tend to agree that 5 miles flat out probably wont do the thing too much harm.... provided its in reasonable fettle to start with..... thrashing bikes tends to be a good way to find where stuff's been neglected, or on the way out.

BUT.... come on! maxing the thing out for five miles? You are saving less than 50 seconds on your journey time, compared to sitting it out in the truck-lane.

STUFF whether you might trash your motor.... is 50 seconds worth putting your all into the over-taking lane and risking the wrath of the idiots in Bavarian-auto-Bahn-Bashers, and giving them yet another opportunity to have a pop at you, with ABSOLUTELY nothing left in reserve to help you get the fuck out the way?

Probably wont kill your bike; probably wont kill YOU.... but fifty seconds....... is it REALLY worth the hassle?


I see what you are saying about not gaining much advantage, its not often I hit 70 though so it is nice in a way when the roads are empty to just max it out. If you think it is too risky then I am quite happy sitting at 60, I know when I used the riding schools ybr's we wen't on a 30 mile ride a lot of that was high rpm's and the instructor didn't say anything. I guess they don't care though because its not their bike.

I am not sure if it is a limiter, it is fuel injected.
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
Keep up with the oil changes and it'll probbably be much the same as the yamaha, It was 1hr stretches on the motorway that made that start burning oil not the 5min thrash on the paddock wood bypass Laughing

But seriously, check it. Litre of oil will only cost about a tenner tops for genuine branded fancy pants stuff. (£9.98 for a litre of Yamalube Embarassed ) and 5-10 mins to drain the old stuff out & refill it every 4,000 miles/whatever your interval is Thumbs Up


My service intervals are 3,000 miles and I do the filter and oil at the same time. It doesn't seem to burn through oil but I can imagine longer rides at high speed might. I would like to go touring in a few years but the fact that I only spend £5 on petrol a week at the moment doesn't justify buying a bigger capacity bike and incurring more cost (baby on the way too so I need to save for that at the moment). I nearly bought a xt 660 x, I sat on it in the dealers but the sales guy told me to not buy it and get some more experience because I have only been riding geared bikes for 6 months.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often take my Honda Varadero 125cc to the limit, 125's are small engines that like to rev compared to a car engine.

my bike seems happy having the throttle rolled full on under acceleration (note I said rolled on not yanked on) and having now been on motorways on it I can feel, at full revvs once it's at speed that it feels like it's miss-firing or something at the top end of the rev counter, easing off slightly makes it happy.
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in doubt, flat out.

(as long as you service it).
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the talk of comparison with varaderos .. I'm not that mechanically minded but aren't they twin cylinders rather than singles?

Would that make them a little less likely to 'blow up' in such situations? Question
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 31 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My YBR125 goes on the motorway flat out all the time. It loves it. Laughing


Just warm it up and service it, as has been said.
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