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PostPosted: 15:09 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Petition to allow motorcycles to use all bus lanes in the UK Reply with quote

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34136


Please sign the above government petition to allow motorcycles to use all bus lanes in the UK.

At the moment this is dictated on a council by council basis, meaning that it is legal to ride in the bus lane of a road in one local authority area, but then at the boundry of the LA, it then becomes a breach of the Transport Act (2000) and motorcyclists can receive a fine.

It is stupid that this should be different in each area and should be allowed in all areas. Motorcycles do not use as much space on the road, they do not damage the road and they are far less poluting than cars (and the half empty buses running in some bus lanes).

Please remove the ability for local authorities to dictate which bus lanes can be uses and set it in the highway code that ALL bus lanes can be used by motorcycles.

Sign the petition, you will then be sent an email with a confirmation link that you must follow for your signature to be added.

This has been added to other forum, so i thought i will share this with you guys.... knowing that their is loads of you here Smile
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:38 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll sign it when I see it promoted by (at least) MCN and MAG. Until then, it's a waste of time.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

problem with this is... There are lets say 500,000 bikers in this country.

50,000 sigs if you are lucky on the petition.

So, the government get to see that 90% of the biking population don't give a toss.

Result?
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do agree, not that I use or ever needed to use bus lanes in my city, there should be some consistency
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'll sign it when I see it promoted by (at least) MCN and MAG. Until then, it's a waste of time.

Isn't that a Catch-22?
They'll only jump on the bandwagon once it's rolling.
Yet by not signing it will not get rolling.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 11 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed - can't say I'm hopeful but took me all of 5 seconds to sign it and can't hurt matters.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:57 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was actually gonna send a message off to leicester council to recommend this, signed Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I signed it for you, despite the fact that Sheffield lets me anyway Thumbs Up
In future though I'd avoid phrases like 'It is stupid'.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bomberman wrote:
I signed it for you, despite the fact that Sheffield lets me anyway Thumbs Up
In future though I'd avoid phrases like 'It is stupid'.

lol fail petition, didn't notice the poorly-wordedness of it

That's right, wordedness.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

snikks wrote:
it and can't hurt matters.

I respectfully disagree. See Marmalade's point for why.

Better that it dies unnoticed in the sub-hundreds than burns out noisily in the tens of thousands.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed and forwarded to my biker chums Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 12 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's got spelling mistakes. MPs don't have to debate it if it's got spelling mistakes.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
problem with this is... There are lets say 500,000 bikers in this country.

50,000 sigs if you are lucky on the petition.

So, the government get to see that 90% of the biking population don't give a toss.

Result?

Ah, but then divide how many bikers there are by how many use the internet regularly

The problem is getting the word out to other bikers, which is where MAG etc comes in I guess, most people wont even know such a petition exists, although they'd likely be willing to sign one

either way, poor effort, there's no excuse for not proof reading
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
It's got spelling mistakes. MPs don't have to debate it if it's got spelling mistakes.

They don't have to debate it if it gets ten million names on it, let alone 100,000. Even if it does make the cut, "debate in backbench time" means a proposing MP reading out a brief statement to two or three chaps sleeping off their lunch.

You could get exactly the same efficacy just by badgering an MP directly. I'd suggest Steve Baker.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done -
All we need now is one for more solo spaces and compulsory ground hogs at council/government buildings

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PostPosted: 23:03 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't get behind this one I'm afraid.

1. Too many people already misuse bus lanes. What I mean by this is that (at least in my town - Nottingham) 85% of the bus lanes are peak time only and available to all road users outside of these hours. They don't bother and cause a queue in the offside lane. This proves they don't understand the relevant road signs. Telling people they CAN use them on the same signs won't make the blindest bit of difference.

2. The oh so poor condition of many bus lanes even when compared to regular non-bus lanes. You'd have to be so far behind the bus to see the pot holes, rippled tarmac, extra paint and diesel/oil spills it'd effectively negate any advantage anyway. Next time no one's looking take a mile in the bus lane and tell me otherwise.

3. The increase in the SMIDSY effect. Loads of road users dip into the bus lane to round a car waiting to turn right from the regular traffic lane without bothering to check first. I see it happen every day. It's effectively filtering on the nearside which is a conversation for another day but certainly frowned upon.

4. Limited line of sight. As mentioned in 2 you need to be so far behind the bus it's pointless. At least you can see through/over most regular traffic in order to anticipate whats ahead.

5. The average speed of a service bus (regular passenger routes not coaches for example) is something like 12 mph. Do you want to be stuck behind that? You'd be forever straying into the offside lane anyway.

6. Would you want 'bus plugs' to be included in this ruling as well? Effectively a road dedicated to the bus as opposed to just one lane at the side of the other traffic.

I'll prefer to take my chance with the cagers thanks.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
[Interesting points are interesting]

...however, wouldn't you like to be able to dip in and out of the bus lane when it suits, without worrying about receiving a hundred billion dollar penalty charge?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
suburban myth wrote:
[Interesting points are interesting]

...however, wouldn't you like to be able to dip in and out of the bus lane when it suits, without worrying about receiving a hundred billion dollar penalty charge?

Making buslanes legal for filtering motorcycles isn't a bad idea

But then you still have the same problem, I think if they did change them there would need to be warning signs "MOTORCYCLES FILTERING"
then there's no excuse for people fucking up, read the damn signs
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bus lanes in my city is useable by bicycles. My VED disc classes my vehicle as a bicycle.

Can I use the bus lane?


In my city they have just installed a bunch of bus lane cameras. The fines are handed out by the city council and not the police. Does that mean it is no longer a criminal offense to drive in the bus lane, making it a civil issue? If this is the case, does it mean the police no longer care about people driving in the bus lane?
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
Can't get behind this one I'm afraid.

1. Too many people already misuse bus lanes. What I mean by this is that (at least in my town - Nottingham) 85% of the bus lanes are peak time only and available to all road users outside of these hours. They don't bother and cause a queue in the offside lane. This proves they don't understand the relevant road signs. Telling people they CAN use them on the same signs won't make the blindest bit of difference.

2. The oh so poor condition of many bus lanes even when compared to regular non-bus lanes. You'd have to be so far behind the bus to see the pot holes, rippled tarmac, extra paint and diesel/oil spills it'd effectively negate any advantage anyway. Next time no one's looking take a mile in the bus lane and tell me otherwise.

3. The increase in the SMIDSY effect. Loads of road users dip into the bus lane to round a car waiting to turn right from the regular traffic lane without bothering to check first. I see it happen every day. It's effectively filtering on the nearside which is a conversation for another day but certainly frowned upon.

4. Limited line of sight. As mentioned in 2 you need to be so far behind the bus it's pointless. At least you can see through/over most regular traffic in order to anticipate whats ahead.

5. The average speed of a service bus (regular passenger routes not coaches for example) is something like 12 mph. Do you want to be stuck behind that? You'd be forever straying into the offside lane anyway.

6. Would you want 'bus plugs' to be included in this ruling as well? Effectively a road dedicated to the bus as opposed to just one lane at the side of the other traffic.

I'll prefer to take my chance with the cagers thanks.


I agree with most of this. I do sometimes use a bus lane in London when bikes are allowed but I don't feel safe in them. Captain Slow is my motto in a bus lane.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
Can't get behind this one I'm afraid.

1. Too many people already misuse bus lanes. What I mean by this is that (at least in my town - Nottingham) 85% of the bus lanes are peak time only and available to all road users outside of these hours. They don't bother and cause a queue in the offside lane. This proves they don't understand the relevant road signs. Telling people they CAN use them on the same signs won't make the blindest bit of difference.

2. The oh so poor condition of many bus lanes even when compared to regular non-bus lanes. You'd have to be so far behind the bus to see the pot holes, rippled tarmac, extra paint and diesel/oil spills it'd effectively negate any advantage anyway. Next time no one's looking take a mile in the bus lane and tell me otherwise.

3. The increase in the SMIDSY effect. Loads of road users dip into the bus lane to round a car waiting to turn right from the regular traffic lane without bothering to check first. I see it happen every day. It's effectively filtering on the nearside which is a conversation for another day but certainly frowned upon.

4. Limited line of sight. As mentioned in 2 you need to be so far behind the bus it's pointless. At least you can see through/over most regular traffic in order to anticipate whats ahead.

5. The average speed of a service bus (regular passenger routes not coaches for example) is something like 12 mph. Do you want to be stuck behind that? You'd be forever straying into the offside lane anyway.

6. Would you want 'bus plugs' to be included in this ruling as well? Effectively a road dedicated to the bus as opposed to just one lane at the side of the other traffic.

I'll prefer to take my chance with the cagers thanks.

Couldn't agree less to be honest. I use bus lanes every single commute and it saves me a lot of time.
So, to take your points in order;

1) Doesn't happen enough to be a problem for me.
2) Ours are actually OK (in comparison to Sheffield's shit roads) - the main concern is the loose stones that get piled up on them, but then you really should be paying attention to that anyway.
3) Again, you should be paying more attention if this is a problem. You don't have to do 30mph just because you can.
4) I just disagree, this isn't an issue.
5) So filter round them when they stop? Drop back into the main lane and get round. Easy.
6) If I can use it, fine.

Sheffield is a small city, so your mileage may vary. But bus lanes are an absolute godsend for me.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 14 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the bus lanes round my way are only active during peak times, so I use them a lot. It's great because sleepy cagers don't realise they could use them too if they wanted. I'm alert when I'm in one because I realise my presence is unexpected, but no problems so far.
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