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PostPosted: 19:35 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Making Master Borg his first bow tomorrow Reply with quote

Little git takes after me, he'd rather invest his time playing on the computer and using his imagination than waste it dealing with you dumb humans. Hand

But he's into Stronghold (I and II) at the moment, so today I dragged him off to the local castle, stropping all the way. They had a box of dressing up gear in one of the rooms, and he got archered up.

So I offered to make him a bow, and after the usual pondering, he's eventually agreed and is quite into the idea now. Dance!

Jazzed up doesn't quite cover it. I haven't done one for years, so it's off to B&Q to find the least roasted of their kiln dried hardwood, shave down one of mine, or start with one of my precious seasoned ash staves.

Either way, +infinity man and dad points. Double infinity if someone loses an eye.

How's your Sunday shaping up? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some PVC tubing whilst you're down there and make a crossbow, too Smile

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PostPosted: 21:13 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post build it thread. Grand plan. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty cool, would like to see the how 2 thread, for me tomorrow is taking a dry run to where I think I'm having my interview on Monday at 10am. I say think as the website directs you to a completely different post code than the one that is listed.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old is your Borg Jnr?

edit: trying to judge when to get mine into projectiles.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
Post build it thread. Grand plan. Thumbs Up


This, definitely. I've never made one, but I reckon it could be fun for me and my boys as well.
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PostPosted: 03:14 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Black Baron wrote:
How old is your Borg Jnr?

edit: trying to judge when to get mine into projectiles.


It's never too early! Although certain stone throwing ballista may require a slightly more mature musculature.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Black Baron wrote:
How old is your Borg Jnr?

9, so too old to begin the training.

It should man him up a bit though, knock some of that "You're all winners just for showing up" brainwashing out of him.

Build is simple, you take a stick and cut away anything that doesn't look like a bow. Rough nocks on early, draw it up verrry gradually and shave away as necessary to get a nice bend. A spokeshave or draw knife is nice, but I've done an ad-hoc one from a broken ash spear shaft using a thin bladed mild steel knife.

You can make a shootable bow from most woods[*]. The problem is getting wood that hasn't been fast grown and baked too dry in a kiln. Proper air dried wood needs sought out. I've done ash, oak and beech but my first ones were just generic B&Q hardwood, mahogany or similar. I had a couple of those de-laminate pretty spectacularly when fully drawn, but the others were surprisingly OK and I've kept those while passing on the "proper" ones.

TBH, I might just shave one of those down, since I know they're good. I don't enjoy the awful moment when you put the full draw on, hear a little "crick" as something gives, and you've got a piece of firewood.

[*] Pine doesn't work though, IME, it's got too much resin, which oozes out and cracks the wood up a treat. I've heard tell that you can "water dry" resinous woods by immersing them in running water which eventually replaces the resin, then you air dry them out. I don't know of anyone who produces wood like that though.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The Black Baron wrote:
How old is your Borg Jnr?

9, so too old to begin the training.


Hmm... the last time I heard that the Dark Side got involved.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome! My dad made me a bow when I was younger. We had a Yew tree in our back garden so it had added historical accuracy! See if you can find a Yew tree to make a real longbow (takes a hell of an effort to pull the string though!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxus_baccata#Longbows
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
9, so too old to begin the training.

Hmm... the last time I heard that the Catholic Church got involved.
FTFY
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Making Master Borg his first bow tomorrow Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
How's your Sunday shaping up? Very Happy


Mine has the potential to go the same way as yours, but I'll probably wimp out of it. I have some trees to fell at my newly-acquired house. I have a borrowed chainsaw. And I have a nearly 3-year-old son....

In truth, as soon as I fire up the 'saw he's likely to scream in hysterics and cower in a corner somewhere. Probably for the best.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
We had a Yew tree in our back garden so it had added historical accuracy! See if you can find a Yew tree to make a real longbow (takes a hell of an effort to pull the string though!)

Few and far between these days. They do make lovely bows and no mistake, but way beyond my humble aspirations.

My spokeshave has gone missing, so I chavved it up.

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So, it turns out ol' dad actually knows a thing or two. This ought to earn me a few visits in the nursing home. Thumbs UpWinkThumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Few and far between these days. They do make lovely bows and no mistake, but way beyond my humble aspirations.

My spokeshave has gone missing, so I chavved it up.

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So, it turns out ol' dad actually knows a thing or two. This ought to earn me a few visits in the nursing home. Thumbs UpWinkThumbs Up


Where's the other bit of wood?

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PostPosted: 19:29 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ollie1995 wrote:
Why has the end of the arrow got something that's not sharp and deadly looking on the end Surprised

We is clout shooting, innit.

We'll get him on broadheads when he can hit the broad side of a deer












shaped target.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he'll enjoy this Roger. Thumbs Up Smile

I'm a County coach and coached my youngest from age 11 to becoming a member of the GBR junior recurve squad (olympic-style bows) at age 16.

Youngsters can do archery from very young if the draw-weight of the bow is low enough and are taught good form.

My own classes have taken kids from age 7 and up.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The draw weight is a bit too much for him, but he insisted on keeping it there. Since that's stupidly manly of him, I had to support his choice.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Making Master Borg his first bow tomorrow Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


How's your Sunday shaping up? Very Happy

Well, I do quite like what you are doing here as it is something that I used to do with my Grandad, make bow and arrows, traps etc so it is nice to see someone taking the time to do stuff like this, though more points would have been awarded if you went out to the woods and got your wood there, I still have my knife my grandad bought me, probably illegal now.

That said, yesterday I was drinking a Mojito at the top of the mast (40footish) on a boat, on the water whilst blowing a good force 4, and before anyone thinks that it was irresponsible to be drunk at the top of the mast, whilst drinking another bottle of Mojito and taking pictures, safety was always key which is why we made sure that my Mojito bottle was tethered to me and my harness at all times and the camera had a wrist strap Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent my Sunday foraging the local sink estates for scrap, tried to nick a wooden pallet from a skip only to find it was trapped by a window frame, then went home and made some things (not manly enough to be mentioned in a thread about long bows) I needed whilst drinking a mojito and a daiquiri.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice idea and good thread. The last time I made a bow was when I was a wee nipper. We used to find tree branches that looked about right and string them. We never could understand why they only lasted a couple of shots.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Making Master Borg his first bow tomorrow Reply with quote

pits wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
How's your Sunday shaping up? Very Happy

blowing

Seamen. Dance!

You need to be lucky to find usable wood in the wild. You don't want either green, saturated or rotted, which in practice means a fallen branch that's being hanging up off the ground in shelter.

It's on my ToDo list, but given the time investment and the chance of failing at the last step (and first full draw) I prefer to start with a more reliable stick.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Making Master Borg his first bow tomorrow Reply with quote

pits wrote:
, I still have my knife my grandad bought me, probably illegal now.


If it is not a flick knife or a lock-blade it is not illegal. Sadly, two of the knives I got from my Dad were the above.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd not even have considered kiln dried timber for a bow of any description, I'd have thought you would simply get caught in the face by the cloud of splinters as the thing flechetted out of your hands at full anchor Laughing

I came so close to buying a stash of 1940s carpenters tools to clean up recently, mainly for the array of spokeshaves it contained Wub

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PostPosted: 15:06 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was very surprised. I did my first four in best B&Q mahogany (or reasonable facsimile) as a learning exercise. Two did disintegrate pretty spectacularly in my face, two came out as reasonable bows which have been shooting for 15+ years, one of them now in a truncated Next Generation fashion. Very Happy

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Be aware that people can be and have been arrested for carrying credit card sized blades in the wrong place (Eurostar, IIRC).

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