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Bene
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 01 May 2013    Post subject: Can You Take a test on a 250? Reply with quote
Hi, sorry if this sounds like a daft question but I wonder if you can help? All I want to ride is a 250 (I have a 125 on a CBT at present). Is it possible for me to buy a 250 and do the test on that or do I have to do it on a 500 or 600?

I don't see why I should be forced into taking lessons on a 500 (as going from 125 straight to the test on a 500 is probably not a good idea) when all I want to own is a 250.

Is this possible?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 01 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can't use any 250 bikes for the tests I'm afraid.

<=125cc for A1
=>400cc for A2
=>600cc for A

List of what you can take on a test;
https://assets.dft.gov.uk/dsa-bl/dsa-motorcycle-mtv-jan13.pdf
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 01 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks. That's ridiculous though. This means that I have to folk out for extra rides/lessons on a 500 when I never intend to ride one. Also I thought you could take your test on a 125 but only be allowed to ride a 125 in that case.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 01 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
You don't intend to ride one AT THE MOMENT! Laughing

Peoples choices change.

Kingsknight said he would never ever want a bike bigger than his beloved 125 Varadero, till he rode one. Now he's after a 650. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 01 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes I know attitudes change and a 250 seems massive at the side of my 125, but I don't want to pay £600 in training on a 500/600 bike when I just intend, for the moment at least, to ride a 250. I'm very comfortable riding around on my 125, but can I just turn up and take my test on a 500 without ever being on one?
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bene wrote:
Thanks. That's ridiculous though. This means that I have to folk out for extra rides/lessons on a 500 when I never intend to ride one. Also I thought you could take your test on a 125 but only be allowed to ride a 125 in that case.

No it doesn't.
DSA test requirements state the specification of machine required to take tests on. How you furnish such a machine for test is entirely up to you.

There is absolutley no mandation to do any lessons, nor use a school to provide the machine... though it is usually a convenience.

Meanwhile, you are taking a test for one of the three licence criteria, that allow you to ride machines up to specificational limits.

Just becouse you dont wish to ride anything more than something in between two groups, is pretty irrelevent; qualification allows you to ride up to that of test machine, and its fairly reasonable you should prove you can do that.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bene wrote:
That's ridiculous though.

That's Brussels though.

The 250 sector is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. You'll have to pass on a GS500 or even an NC700S to get a license to ride one. Very few people are going to step back down to a 250 after doing that.
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Bene wrote:
Also I thought you could take your test on a 125 but only be allowed to ride a 125 in that case.

Yes you can. It lets you remove the L plates, carry a pillion and use motorways.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
How old are you Bene? I'm not 100% on this (I did the tests about 16 months ago) but isn't age a huge factor in what you can / can't ride under the new scheme?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
...The 250 sector is dead...

Apology for off-topic but what's the speculation on cheap 2nd hand commuter 250 bikes then?
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Bene wrote:
Thanks. That's ridiculous though. This means that I have to folk out for extra rides/lessons on a 500 when I never intend to ride one. Also I thought you could take your test on a 125 but only be allowed to ride a 125 in that case.

No it doesn't.
DSA test requirements state the specification of machine required to take tests on. How you furnish such a machine for test is entirely up to you.

There is absolutley no mandation to do any lessons, nor use a school to provide the machine... though it is usually a convenience.

Meanwhile, you are taking a test for one of the three licence criteria, that allow you to ride machines up to specificational limits.

Just becouse you dont wish to ride anything more than something in between two groups, is pretty irrelevent; qualification allows you to ride up to that of test machine, and its fairly reasonable you should prove you can do that.


No it's not irrelevant, I only want to ride a 250 so why should I have to ride a 500 to prove I can ride a 250? It might be that I would be able to handle a 500 and it's not a problem, the problems just in my head, but I can't ride a 500 on the roads to find out without paying for lessons. Surely I can't just go and take my test without any experience other than a 125?

Age is not an issue because I'm 35 but I don't think that alters anything though.

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The 250 sector is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. You'll have to pass on a GS500 or even an NC700S to get a license to ride one. Very few people are going to step back down to a 250 after doing that.


That could be so but I doubt it and anyway I only have physical space for a small bike in the bike hut I have on the back.

The position I'm in is that I'm riding around quite happy on my 125 on CBT but obviously that runs out and I might as well take my test and be done with the L plates for good. After that a 250 is just about perfect for me all round. I just don't see why I should be forced into taking the test on a 500, which in turn forces me to pay a riding school for the experience of riding that prior to the test. It just sounds like a money making con to me. On the other hand I might be able to jump straight onto a 500 from my 125 with no problems at all, however I'll never know.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
pay for an hours lesson on a ER500 or GS or something then come back and say that you only ever want to ride a 250. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think your best bet is to write a letter to the DVLA and ask them to restructure the whole motorcycle test to suit your needs.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why not do a lesson on a 500 and then see how you feel, it isn't a huge machine but is is a proper big bike with all the advantages that entails, better handling, brakes, suspension and comfort, and a vast number of good used bikes to choose from. A 250 on the other hand will be a feeble 125 frame with a bigger engine plonked in, assuming you can find one.

There's a whole lot more to big bikes than just performance and you have to ride one to appreciate that.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
The only 250 I wanna every own is a CBR250rr then a straight through pipe and visit some tunnels in 2nd 3rd gear
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd like a ride on a RS250 stroker, but from what I've read about them my undies would have to be binned afterwards.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
forgot the strokers :O
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22,000 rpm at 138mph has gotta be fun!
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good Godd, Man!

You have for however long been utilising the PRIVILIDGE of using a motor-vehicle you have NO qualification to use on the public road, on provisional entitlement of your licence, that is offered so that you might practice for the tests, unsupervised....

And you are loath to pay for fucking lessons for anything?!?!?!?!?

If it were not for the unsupervised 125 Laws, mate, you wouldn't be riding FUCK ALL, without paying for lessons and a test before hand!

Bikes, ironically the most dangerous means of motor transport on the road, the ONLY one you are allowed to ride unsupervised without taking a test to prove your competence. every other bugger has to have lessons to drive a car, or HGV or whatever.... and you moan!

Count your bludy blessings!

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PostPosted: 22:02 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lyam wrote:
I think your best bet is to write a letter to the DVLA and ask them to restructure the whole motorcycle test to suit your needs.


Nope, would have to go to Brussels now; new scheme is thier brain-child.... maybe he could take it to the court of human rights....
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The move to a 250 from a 125 is barely worth it anyway to be fair, performance difference you may as well sit your test and stay on a 125, or MTFU and do the cat A and get something that will at least be distinguishable from a 125
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm just ignoring the aggressively OTT replies, thanks anyway...

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Why not do a lesson on a 500 and then see how you feel, it isn't a huge machine but is is a proper big bike with all the advantages that entails, better handling, brakes, suspension and comfort, and a vast number of good used bikes to choose from. A 250 on the other hand will be a feeble 125 frame with a bigger engine plonked in, assuming you can find one.

There's a whole lot more to big bikes than just performance and you have to ride one to appreciate that.


Yes that's probably the best idea. It would give me a feel for the bike, I didn't realise that you get better handling and brakes etc on them as well.

I had in mind something like this originally:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130895020764?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

This is not far away from my sr125 which I like and suits me to the ground, only the 125 doesn't have the kick past 40mph that the 250 probably would have and anything much, much bigger and faster doesn't have any appeal to me.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sako wrote:
The move to a 250 from a 125 is barely worth it anyway to be fair, performance difference you may as well sit your test and stay on a 125, or MTFU and do the cat A and get something that will at least be distinguishable from a 125


Is there not much difference in performance between the two? My sr125 got to just under 60mph, (from 45mph onward is it slow) but someone said a 250 will hit 100mph.
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Sako wrote:
The move to a 250 from a 125 is barely worth it anyway to be fair, performance difference you may as well sit your test and stay on a 125, or MTFU and do the cat A and get something that will at least be distinguishable from a 125


Ninja 250R? I know I want one once I've done my tests to do me the 2 years till I can get my full licence and a Harley...
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Someone told me a zx12r does 200 mph but it was all lies!! Does 190ish maybe a bit more with thw restrictor disabled
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Someone told me a zx12r does 200 mph but it was all lies!! Does 190ish maybe a bit more with thw restrictor disabled
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