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PostPosted: 21:43 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: America, you have no rights! Reply with quote
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Man arrested for pretty much nothing. Ignore all the rap music and ghetto talk at the beginning, it's such a bullshit thing to happen, I hope that cop gets shot in the face.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
What the actual fuck. I've seen people get arrested for silly things but that takes the piss.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 02 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
You think it's any different in the UK?
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The genetic sewage are in charge aaaaaaaaaall over the world.
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
You think it's any different in the UK?


Nowadays, very slightly...

When Brown became prime minister he repealed that law and did something else remotely smart within a fortnight. I thought, wow I've misjudged him... turns out I was wrong though.
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
so much for the much vaunted 'freedom' of the western democracies. Rioters here have much more freedom and don't get arrested for far more. A protest march and reading out the names of soldiers killed in Jew wars is against the law because it is near westminister? where must they do it? an an empty forest?

Did they break windows, torch cars? harass bystanders?
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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so much for the much vaunted 'freedom' of the western democracies. Rioters here have much more freedom and don't get arrested for far more. A protest march and reading out the names of soldiers killed in Jew wars is against the law because it is near westminister? where must they do it? an an empty forest?

Did they break windows, torch cars? harass bystanders?


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PostPosted: 07:41 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Knight wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:
so much for the much vaunted 'freedom' of the western democracies. Rioters here have much more freedom and don't get arrested for far more. A protest march and reading out the names of soldiers killed in Jew wars is against the law because it is near westminister? where must they do it? an an empty forest?

Did they break windows, torch cars? harass bystanders?


Pigs like easy pickings.


What is insane is that is labelled organised crime. exactly what crime is being organised? reading the names of dead soldiers who died in a trumped up war of no concern to britian based on false proof on WMDs planted by jews? The real organised crime was the conspiracy to start that war.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Trasler wrote:

While it may seem strict, can't you see the need for such a law? In a time when you have EDL marches, UAF marches and the London Riots, can't you see the need for any potential hotpot of anger and violence to be moved on, especially in the hub of our economic and political areas.


No. I would prefer that they wait until people actually break the law before punishing them, rather than making new laws to punish people for behavior that might then lead to crime.

Of course, the majority of people are ruled by fear these days, so I understand WHY they are passing laws like this. Doesn't make it a good thing mind you, just understandable.
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No. I would prefer that they wait until people actually break the law before punishing them, rather than making new laws to punish people for behavior that might then lead to crime.

Of course, the majority of people are ruled by fear these days, so I understand WHY they are passing laws like this. Doesn't make it a good thing mind you, just understandable.


So you would rather we wait until people have their buildings burnt down, stabbed and we need to bring northern Ireland's water cannons out to bring any sense of order to the chaos? When someone is putting a brick through your window, I'm glad you will be contempt in the knowledge that the police waited until they were overwhelmed before trying to do anything
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So you would rather we wait until people have their buildings burnt down, stabbed and we need to bring northern Ireland's water cannons out to bring any sense of order to the chaos? When someone is putting a brick through your window, I'm glad you will be contempt in the knowledge that the police waited until they were overwhelmed before trying to do anything


Don't be stupid.

The police won't do anything in either situation anyway! Remember the riots? Police defended Tesco and the banks, but civilians? Nah we're not paid to defend these people.
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Trasler wrote:

While it may seem strict, can't you see the need for such a law? In a time when you have EDL marches, UAF marches and the London Riots, can't you see the need for any potential hotpot of anger and violence to be moved on, especially in the hub of our economic and political areas.



No, no I can't. The whole purpose of protest is to get your point across to the people who need to hear it - the legislators. Those lawmakers creating laws which ban protest near them is the same thing as saying "Fuck you, I don't give a shit what you say, I won't even listen. Now shut up and go back to being seen and not heard."

EDL? I don't like what they say, but they should surely be allowed to say it, whoever they offend. Remember, as mentioned another post recently, offence is taken, not given. Causing injury and damage to property is a different thing, but offence? Sticks and stones...
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So you would rather we wait until people have their buildings burnt down, stabbed and we need to bring northern Ireland's water cannons out to bring any sense of order to the chaos? When someone is putting a brick through your window, I'm glad you will be contempt in the knowledge that the police waited until they were overwhelmed before trying to do anything


So you would rather be arrest, charged and have a criminal record because your behaviour may have led to a crime?

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Trasler wrote:
So you would rather we wait until people have their buildings burnt down, stabbed and we need to bring northern Ireland's water cannons out to bring any sense of order to the chaos? When someone is putting a brick through your window, I'm glad you will be contempt in the knowledge that the police waited until they were overwhelmed before trying to do anything


As a matter of fact, in a way, yes I would.

That isn't true. What I want is for the police to stay the fuck out of it till someone is identified as breaking or reasonably believed to be likely to cause injury to people or property.

A gathering of people who disagree with something doesn't come under that definition.

Don't be one of the sheeple. You can't let even the smallest encroachment onto your freedom go unremarked. If you do, it becomes a precedent.

"Oh but we did x and you didn't mind then..."
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This is the same America where a 5 year old can be given a gun to go hunting.
It's actually marketed as 'my first rifle'. It's sold in pink, blue and various other colours and designs to appeal to kids.
It's not a toy, it's real.

The five year old then leaves it in the corner of a room with a bullet up the spout.
It's then played with by the boy's 2 year old sister, who dies when it goes off and she's shot. This happened last Tuesday. Rolling Eyes Brick Wall

Story on BBC site - link if you click here.

A tragic accident but one that should not have happened for so many reasons on so many levels. So much for gun safety, parents really fumbled the ball on that one.

It's not unique or an isolated one off, chance in a million incident though.
BBC News - same report wrote:
...A five-year-old girl was shot and killed by her eight-year-old brother in western Alaska on Tuesday, while a seven-year-old boy shot his sister, nine, in the leg in Auburn, Washington state, on Thursday...


Children and guns, a match made in heaven.
Note to America - stop being the morons of the western world. Up your game and don't lecture others. Your standards are not that great to aspire to.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Trasler wrote:
While it may seem strict, can't you see the need for such a law?...


Absolutely not and the example you proceed with is horse cack - public discourse on the 'streets of our capital' is dangerous for plebs and leads to violent acts?

Trasler wrote:
...can't you see the need for any potential hotpot of anger and violence to be moved on...


So it is better for the police to presume and discriminate and stop any 'potential hotpot of anger and violence' rather than act IF a 'potential hotpot of anger and violence' turns angry and violent?
Might as well ban football matches then. And socialising in working class pubs. And groups of men gathering in numbers too. And hen nights / stag doos. And women drivers. And...

Trasler wrote:
...especially in the hub of our economic and political areas...


Best location for a protest and/or public discourse, surely? These days, any protest and/or public discourse held outside of London is futile and receives fuck all coverage save a 20 second report on BBC North West Tonight, somewhere between Mrs Jones' dog doing something vaguely unorthodox and the weather.

Kradmelder wrote:
...A protest march and reading out the names of soldiers killed in Jew wars is against the law because it is near westminister? where must they do it? an an empty forest?...


Pretty much Krad, yeah. Well what the fuck do you think UK is? A well-oiled society in which Citizens / Subjects are allowed to express opposition to such agendas or something?
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This is the same America where a 5 year old can be given a gun to go hunting.
It's actually marketed as 'my first rifle'. It's sold in pink, blue and various other colours and designs to appeal to kids.
It's not a toy, it's real.

The five year old then leaves it in the corner of a room with a bullet up the spout.
It's then played with by the boy's 2 year old sister, who dies when it goes off and she's shot. This happened last Tuesday. Rolling Eyes Brick Wall

Story on BBC site - link if you click here.

A tragic accident but one that should not have happened for so many reasons on so many levels. So much for gun safety, parents really fumbled the ball on that one.

It's not unique or an isolated one off, chance in a million incident though.
BBC News - same report wrote:
...A five-year-old girl was shot and killed by her eight-year-old brother in western Alaska on Tuesday, while a seven-year-old boy shot his sister, nine, in the leg in Auburn, Washington state, on Thursday...


Children and guns, a match made in heaven.
Note to America - stop being the morons of the western world. Up your game and don't lecture others. Your standards are not that great to aspire to.


Nothing wrong with children and guns. Children have handled firearms for 100s of years. A few generations ago 6 yo boys where shooting darkies to protect their families from marauding darkies.

My son had an air rifle at six, and a .22 at 8. he had simple rules: if I catch you leaving it unattended you lose it; if you point it at anyone or any living thing not threatening you, even unloaded, you lose it; if you pass it to some one without the breech open, you lose it; etc. One day he left it leaning against next to an open door and went for a bath. I picked it up, stormed into the bathroom without knocking and told him what if I were a darkie come in know and killed your family because you didn't clean it and put it away? he lost it for a few weeks. And learnt his lesson about fire arm safety.

A 5 year old isn't going to go hunting. He is not going to eat what he shoots. He is going to go killing: birds, small wild life etc. why should they die for someone's entertainment, not food.

The problem isn't kids and firearms. It is the American mindset that it is somehow macho, or some status symbol to shoot things. A firearm is just another tool a kid must learn to use like a chainsaw, a power drill, an angle grinder etc. its a tool you learn to use and use when necessary.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
In the US (which isn't the best example as you will see) they have freedom of speech enshrined in their constitution. Specifically, the first amendment of that document.

Now, a combination of the awkwardness that amendment has caused since folk became literate, weasel words and the kind of apathy displayed by Trasler, we can see sights like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/First_amendment_zone1.jpg

The above is the "First Amendment Zone" at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. I say "at", but in reality they were placed quite a distance from anywhere which may have made their speeches relevant.

Looks a nice place, doesn't it? Want that in the UK?
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
inksmithy wrote:
...they have freedom of speech enshrined in their constitution. Specifically, the first amendment of that document....

Eleanor Roosevelt wrote:
With great freedoms comes great responsibility


By constantly demanding the first part IMHO they've trampled over the second part.

...but that's ok because the 1st amendment says it's ok to do that Rolling Eyes

FWIW I believe the full quote is
Eleanor Roosevelt wrote:
Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the person who does not want to carry is own weight, this is a frightening prospect.
Appears to me the US (along with various other countries) isn't that grown up yet. The UK in wanting to adopt or follow the USA in many areas is regressing and not moving forward and growing.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Trasler wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
You think it's any different in the UK?


While it may seem strict, can't you see the need for such a law? In a time when you have EDL marches, UAF marches and the London Riots, can't you see the need for any potential hotpot of anger and violence to be moved on, especially in the hub of our economic and political areas.


Quote:
The new law was initially intended to remove Brian Haw, an anti-war protester who has camped in Parliament Square for four years.

But Mr Haw successfully fought off the latest attempt to evict him in the High Court, by arguing his protest pre-dated the legislation.


They brought in an entire law to deal with one man who annoyed them ... and even then they failed! Petty, evil, tyrannical and buffoons!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Trasler wrote:
While it may seem strict, can't you see the need for such a law? In a time when

It's always "a time when".

We're always at war with Eurasia Eastasia, there are no mythical idyllic periods when it's safe to repeal "but what if this happens, what if that happens, what if goblins happen?" laws.
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Before the royal wedding some peaceful activists of the 'street performer' variety were detained on the pretext that they 'might' cause some disturbance during the event.

The people arrested were 60ish yeah old university lecturers. They hadn't actually done anything wrong. They were detained because of what they MIGHT do. And what they MIGHT have done wasn't even unlawful.

Can't find any info on them but there was one of those shaky youtube vids somewhere documenting it all. Quite a shocker.

Anyway here's a related article. https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/29/royal-wedding-police-criticised-protesters.

Haven't heard much recently to do with this kind of fascism malarkey, but I'd still just like to say, as a general side note in relation to the topic of this post, FUCK THE MONARCHY.

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