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PostPosted: 00:23 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Using certain gears Reply with quote

Are there any negative effects of using certain gears more than others?

I tend to use only 1-3 sometimes 4th, 5th has been used a couple of times and 6th never Laughing I never do motorway runs and 3rd/4th is enough for dual carriageways and B roads
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll wear them out faster. Whether this is a practical or noticeable amount of wear... well somebody else could say.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:12 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Using certain gears Reply with quote

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Are there any negative effects of using certain gears more than others?

I tend to use only 1-3 sometimes 4th, 5th has been used a couple of times and 6th never Laughing I never do motorway runs and 3rd/4th is enough for dual carriageways and B roads


At normal motorway or dual carriageway speeds (honestly officer) a Triple should be sat at about 7 or 8k in 6th gear - bang in the midrange where it is plenty responsive. You must be revving the tits off it to never use 6th!
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the bikesafe course I did last week with West Yorkshire police they told me off for brakinginto corners. They said if I got my gearing right I shouldn't need to do this.
Since then I have made much more use of 2nd and 3rd gears and the bike is always bang in the power band on the twisties. It's much more noisy but also feels a lot more responsive. I do wonder if I'm been harsh on a 14 year old gear box (bike is a bandit s)
On the long stretches I still get up the gears, I just drop them back down to prepare for the corner.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just made the move from a big 125 (varadero) to a ZZR600, was up in 5th in a 50 as it just made sense to let the revs drop a bit but keep it revving a little down in 2nd or 3rd at 30.

only done 20 miles on it so still learning, was up in 6th on the motorway.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Using certain gears Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:
Are there any negative effects of using certain gears more than others?

I tend to use only 1-3 sometimes 4th, 5th has been used a couple of times and 6th never Laughing I never do motorway runs and 3rd/4th is enough for dual carriageways and B roads


Cant really see any problem with that and it sounds pretty normal. Your lower gears will see more wear over the life of the bike anyway. As long as you keep your oil in good order and try to be smooth through the changes it should last regardless.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
You'll wear them out faster. Whether this is a practical or noticeable amount of wear... well somebody else could say.


Can you please explain how this will happen?

Gears are constant mesh, the only thing that could possibly wear more is the dogs though if you're changing gears properly this isn't going to be happening too often
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things wear, otherwise gearboxes would last forever. I was being pedantic. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davenaylor wrote:
On the bikesafe course I did last week with West Yorkshire police they told me off for brakinginto corners. They said if I got my gearing right I shouldn't need to do this.

There's some contention about this in the "advanced" riding community. The local IAM are of the "brakes to slow, gears to go" school. Sure, be in the right gear as you enter the bend in order to accelerate out of it, but don't necessarily bang it down pre-emptively and use engine braking to slow down. Brake pads cost less than clutches and gearboxes, they noted.

It gets easier to recommend staying in high revs when someone else is paying for your bike, servicing and fuel. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
I've just made the move from a big 125 (varadero) to a ZZR600, was up in 5th in a 50 as it just made sense to let the revs drop a bit but keep it revving a little down in 2nd or 3rd at 30.

only done 20 miles on it so still learning, was up in 6th on the motorway.


ZZR is nice because if you want you can quite happily ride everywhere below 6k and it will just trundle along all relaxed like, but if you need to cane it 8k+ and off it goes.

My sister changes down well early on hers, it hardly ever gets revved above 7k or so.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Using certain gears Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:

At normal motorway or dual carriageway speeds (honestly officer) a Triple should be sat at about 7 or 8k in 6th gear - bang in the midrange where it is plenty responsive. You must be revving the tits off it to never use 6th!


Although I haven't properly looked, 60mph in third sat at about 6k revs. IMO 6k is the right zone if you need to go. 3rd can get you to 80/90 so more than enough for dual carriage ways and tight B roads. The way I ride anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To say that you never use 6th is just bad riding mate. Also using 3rd at 60 is ideal if you need to use your bikes performance at the drop of a hat to get you out of trouble but to ride like that all the time is pure bad riding. Yes the gears are constant mesh....but only under load when you have that gear selected. Your just causing excess wear and tear on your bike and need to service your bike more often ....in line with the hard use or harsh environment recommendations.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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On the bikesafe course I did last week with West Yorkshire police they told me off for brakinginto corners. They said if I got my gearing right I shouldn't need to do this.

There's some contention about this in the "advanced" riding community. The local IAM are of the "brakes to slow, gears to go" school. Sure, be in the right gear as you enter the bend in order to accelerate out of it, but don't necessarily bang it down pre-emptively and use engine braking to slow down. Brake pads cost less than clutches and gearboxes, they noted.

It gets easier to recommend staying in high revs when someone else is paying for your bike, servicing and fuel. Wink


Fair point, on yesterday's ride I only did this (used the gears). I was around squires, church Fenton and Sherburn in North Yorkshire. Ill try combine both, I.e. right gear and braking, see how I get on with that. I think it's easier to just do one at first though as there is less going on.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To say that you never use 6th is just bad riding mate. Also using 3rd at 60 is ideal if you need to use your bikes performance at the drop of a hat to get you out of trouble but to ride like that all the time is pure bad riding. Yes the gears are constant mesh....but only under load when you have that gear selected. Your just causing excess wear and tear on your bike and need to service your bike more often ....in line with the hard use or harsh environment recommendations.


Where can I use 6th? round town no, B roads not quite, dual carriage way maybe but it will be sitting at about 4/5k which is nothing on the triple.

Any Street Triple/Daytona riders want to chip in?
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember someone on here talking about what gears they used and they said they like to be in a low gear all the time so they're in the power band. The funny thing was they were surprised to learn it affected fuel economy. The guy thought that the choice of gear was almost random...just if you wanted it quieter or whatever and that it made no difference to go along the motorway in 2nd for hours on end Laughing

I bang it in to top as soon as I can if I'm just trundling along. It's not that hard to go down a few if you need some poke.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely understand 6th for motorway use, dual carriageway I don't ride much but I will try 6th next time. Town and B roads though I can't see 5th/6th being much use

Thinking of MPG while riding is too much for me Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:
Definitely understand 6th for motorway use, dual carriageway I don't ride much but I will try 6th next time. Town and B roads though I can't see 5th/6th being much use

Thinking of MPG while riding is too much for me Laughing


It's not just the MPG...engine wear too.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your getting confused with the riding info you were given tbh.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bladerunner wrote:
I think your getting confused with the riding info you were given tbh.


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PostPosted: 15:01 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Using certain gears Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:
Slacker24seven wrote:

At normal motorway or dual carriageway speeds (honestly officer) a Triple should be sat at about 7 or 8k in 6th gear - bang in the midrange where it is plenty responsive. You must be revving the tits off it to never use 6th!


Although I haven't properly looked, 60mph in third sat at about 6k revs. IMO 6k is the right zone if you need to go. 3rd can get you to 80/90 so more than enough for dual carriage ways and tight B roads. The way I ride anyway Laughing


90 in 6th around 7-8k gets me 44mpg. That's the right zone for a straight, multi lane road.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
There's some contention about this in the "advanced" riding community. The local IAM are of the "brakes to slow, gears to go" school. Sure, be in the right gear as you enter the bend in order to accelerate out of it, but don't necessarily bang it down pre-emptively and use engine braking to slow down. Brake pads cost less than clutches and gearboxes, they noted.

It gets easier to recommend staying in high revs when someone else is paying for your bike, servicing and fuel. Wink
And they're usually on an R1200RT or similar shaft drive bike so don't have to worry about chains and sprockets wearing out, so its easy for them to say engine braking's better.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also when I want to DIY I'll use my own gear i.e. Drilling machine, pliers, hammer and cetera rather than borrow someone else's gear. I hate lending my gear to anyone so like wise I always want to have the gear of my own.

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PostPosted: 15:20 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Using certain gears Reply with quote

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90 in 6th around 7-8k gets me 44mpg. That's the right zone for a straight, multi lane road.


Im not saying I sit at 90 in third, I just meant its possible to do those speeds in that gear if needed. I agree though if you are cruising at that speed then 6th is the way however 60 in 6th I'll have to try and see what its like
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously (is possible)

Gears are only intended to allow the limited torque an engine can produce propel the machine and overcome 'forces'.

Which gear you select depends simply on what road speed you are at and whether you wish to accelerate quickly or not or cruise.

The other factor is how much torque the engine can produce depending on design.
Design being matched to expected performance.

So, in general, big engine machines can use higher gears at lower road speeds.

For cruising high gears may be fine. And more economical, quieter and less wear on gearboxes. (Stuff will be whirring less which means less wear).
For twisties or more 'active' progress a lower gear would be better simply for for reasons of response.

Scooting along a 30 in 2nd is as daft as being in 5th. Anything in between is maybe a matter of preference.

Most economy guide advise using higher gears as much as possible and not to give it the beans too much.
And of course never ever ever use the brakes. Brakes are the devil.
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