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PostPosted: 16:07 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Pre injected 600's right class? Reply with quote

Hi guys I was just looking for some advise I'm just getting into racing and I have a 2000 R6 standard road bike. I was going to enter the pre injected 600's (which they do at Knock hill) then buy a new fairing and change the sprocket. Just wondering if you thought this was a good class for a beginner and if you think any other bike mods would be an idea. (brakes/tyres/suspension are all new and set).

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PostPosted: 23:08 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Converting a road bike to race spec is the most expensive way to go about this.

You are better off selling your road bike in road trim and buying a track-ready version of the same bike.

Making figures up here, your road bike is worth say £2000. A 'sorted' track bike the same will sell for £1800 with some spare race bits and bobs.

So you have +£200 to go into the race pot!

To do it the other way means strip your bike, upgrade the suspension, get a set of 'wets', sprockets, rearsets, race farings, clip-ons ... talking over a grand there for sure ... so you would be -£1000 in the race pot! ... which option do you think is 'better' Wink

Oh and don't be fooled into thinking a pre-injection won't be fiercely contended.

Do the same club do a Rookie class?
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

blue is talking sense, but chipping at parts sometimes seems alot easier when you already have a bike.

But there are plenty of classes to choose from, thunderbikes at bemsee, golden era at thundersport, then you have a PI class at Derby phoenix, then roadstock and streetstock classes at EMRA and NGRCC.

And yeah its a good class to get into but not really novice friendly as all the newcomer and novice classes outhere allow new bikes so you will get beaten by the latest and greatest stuff which can be frustrating when you get closer to the front.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with both of the above, I converted my ZX6R 2000 model from road to track, it cost me a fair bit and I’m never going to make the money back. I decided to go that route as I chucked it at the scenery at Mallory with all the road trim on last summer so chucked a cheap set of fibreglass race fairings on at the time. When I decided to start racing the amount I would get for the ZX (as it now had a crap gel coated fairing and a few war wounds) wouldn’t give me enough to get anything substantially better due to my lack of cash to put on top of the money from the sale so I decided to build on what I had. On the plus side it allowed me to split the cost of everything I wanted/needed over a few months and I learnt a lot from stripping it and rebuilding it which kept me busy over the winter.

If it is still in good nick and could stay on the road sell the bike and buy a dedicated track bike, let someone else spend the money.

As you are based up in Scotland your club options are fairly limited I believe unless you are willing to do a lot of miles but as said above, it is a good class to start in but the competition is still high. I’m doing a couple of rounds with Thundersport this year in golden era supersport and Hottrax modern classics so been keeping an eye on the times and they look decent at the sharp end.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disclaimer: I do not race, these are just my thoughts on the process. I am planning to start racing in 2014 so I just thought I'd share my thoughts, NOT EXPERIENCE.

Most classes, as a novice you're not likely to be very competitive for quite a while, however, it depends whether you're a novice with a lot of cash, or a novice with a budget.

I'd have loved to race my 2002 R6, however, I sold it, because of how expensive it was to run and maintain in road trim, never mind keeping it tip top for race usage.

I am personally going down the route of Thundersport 500, it's bikes that can be picked up for sub-£500 very restricted modifications so fairly level playing field and bugets aren't going to be destroyed by accidents.

Repair costs on bikes like the R6 can run to more than just replacing the whole bike in the Thundersport 500 class.

I know it's not for everybody, but racing is racing, and I'm on a budget so taking a cheap option into dipping my toes in.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guys thanks for the advise. The only reason I went for pre injected was due to the cost friendly attraction, suppose I may have been a little naive thinking the R6 could compete. Il take your advise and sell the R6 as its in good nick and buy a race bike.

thanks again guys.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottishTwisty wrote:
Ok guys thanks for the advise. The only reason I went for pre injected was due to the cost friendly attraction, suppose I may have been a little naive thinking the R6 could compete. Il take your advise and sell the R6 as its in good nick and buy a race bike.

thanks again guys.


If your road bike is stock, it has no chance at being competitive in the pre-injection class. A stock carbie pushes about 95hp at the rear wheel, my fully 'spanked' one produced 120hp - and I am sure that most will be fully spanked these days. And we haven't even discussed the advantages of Ohlins suspension! Wink

I think the class is a good idea and as racing goes, will be one of the cheaper classes to KEEP competitive. But you will want a pre-prepped race bike if you want a competitive machine and to avoid some of the start-up costs.

All this said, as a novice 95% of your speed will come from you, 5% from having the best bike in the pack.

Tyres are everything. Spend your money on tyres - don't be drawn into fancy bits for the bike

What tyres don't give you brake pads will!! I am a little out of date now, but performance friction were simply awesome.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Tyres are everything. Spend your money on tyres


This.

Your bike can only go as fast as your tyres will allow. And I dont mean in a straight line. On track, lap times are everything (Obviously once you've got the hang of it). The BIGGEST limiting factor to any vehicle's lap time is tyres.

Why do you think they make a massive fuss over it in F1 and MotoGP and ALL other racing?

So yeah: Get a set of tyres that you are comfortable with.
Dont get the best racing tyres you can: Likely hood is you wont be able to race hard and fast enough to keep them in their best operating temperatures/parameters. Find someone who can recommend you a tyre that would suit a beginner/Amatuer and work from there.

Disclaimer: I'm not talking from any racing experience here at all; i'm talking from a Motorsport Degree nearly graduates knowledge. So don't take it as gospel. It's just the theory that I know.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 15 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil I definitely agree that the CB500 looks like a great class, massive field, low cost and very very close racing (seen them going into corners 4 wide). I would consider it when I get a bit older and either run out of money or break too many bones on the quicker bikes.

As for tyres, use either Metzeler racetecs or Pirelli Supercorsas, standard is K1 or SC1 front (soft) and K2 or SC2 rear (medium). There will be more and more supercorsa scrubs available shortly as it is now the control tyre for all the support classes in the BSB so you can get some deals.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 15 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil wrote:
...There will be more and more supercorsa scrubs available shortly ...


As implied by my previous post, don't go buying other peoples sha55ed tyres. Fine for trackdays or the road, but if you want to give racing a serious shot, then you don't want to be fighting with degraded grip.

If you can't budget for a new set of tyres* every race weekend (at a minimum) than I would re-consider the whole deal!

*I suggest 2 rears and 1 front is the actual minimum for every weekend - more if you have bags of money - others will!
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 15 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on how quick you are and if you can make use of the extra grip...

Good quality scrubs (10 lappers from bsb teams) are enough when you start.
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