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hondakawasaki
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Fixed penalty Reply with quote

Hi

So i recieved a fixed penalty for no insurance i posted about it on here

Any way today i got a letter in the post saying they hadnt recieved my licence an postal order

So i phoned the ticket office to see whats going on

They guy on the phone said they got the payment and im going to get banned

I have a provisional driving licence and a cbt i got them both in march 2012

Ive had a look on the internet and it says i can get 6 points on a cbt but anymore an i will get banned

So whats going to happpen will i get banned?
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

banned, is that it ? i hope you are jailed.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you get banned for a long time and your insurance prices are horrendous in the future.

People like you seriously piss me off. And yes I think 6 points on a prOvisional is a ban.

Enjoy the bus.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Fixed penalty Reply with quote

hondakawasaki wrote:
...I have a provisional driving licence and a cbt i got them both in march 2012...

With the cbt and provisional 6 points is ok.
However if/when you get a 'full' licence (i.e. not a provisional) then those 6 points are carried over to it (I'm assuming you get the 'full' licence inside the expiry period of 3 or 5 years - can anyone confirm if points transferred if after 5 years?). So if you get any more points inside the 2 years* of the 'full' licence you'll be banned.

clancy wrote:
...yes I think 6 points on a prOvisional is a ban.
Enjoy the bus.
Oh really? Rolling Eyes Brick Wall
The Government via the DVLA wrote:
...If you reach 6 points before you’ve taken your test, you won’t lose your provisional licence. But if you get any more points within 2 years of passing your test, you’ll lose your licence.
I just love it when people just make up the law. They should apply to be traffic cops, fit right in then.


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* again not sure if the 5 year limit on the 6 points occurs within the first 2 years they'll be removed. I suspect so but the DVLA is a weird beast and other heads needed to confirm that.
Wording here says points on provisional for 3 years and any points after 6 in first 2 years of getting licence you loose it (so regardless of any expiry of those points). Confused? I am!
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hondakawasaki
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it is a ban then?

Read here stupid how it happened really
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=268585&highlight=
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LockyUK
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

hondakawasaki wrote:
So it is a ban then?

Read here stupid how it happened really
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=268585&highlight=


i have read it, i do not believe that

i think that you thought you get away with it, i am glad you get caught, i am just annoyed you will not get jailed, see the chances are if you was uninsured, it is highly probable you had no road tax OR MOT, you deserve everything you get and more, scumbag

nobody is "accidentally" uninsured
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johnsmith222
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having your licence revoked for totting up 6 points is not the same as being banned.

If you had passed your test then you would have your licence revoked and you could apply for a new provisional as soon as possible.

As you've not passed your test you won't be banned.
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clancy
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright I'll lt you off haha, from your first post here I thought you were just driving un insured. That's bad luck
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

hondakawasaki wrote:
So it is a ban then?...
If you're still on a provisional licence then no. Read my post above and read the UK government site words if you can be bothered to look things up yourself and click here.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
hondakawasaki wrote:
So it is a ban then?

Read here stupid how it happened really
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=268585&highlight=


i have read it, i do not believe that

i think that you thought you get away with it, i am glad you get caught, i am just annoyed you will not get jailed, see the chances are if you was uninsured, it is highly probable you had no road tax OR MOT, you deserve everything you get and more, scumbag

nobody is "accidentally" uninsured


beleive it or not you are wrong, some one on here paid for there insurance then got pulled for no insurance, company had cancelled it but not told him
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LockyUK
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

well that would be no issue, would it ? as the insurance company would of breached its own T&C as they MUST give notice of intent to cancel, this case is totally difference he KNEW DAMN WELL he was not insured but that did not stop him from taking his bike on public roads!
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P.addy
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfft, I've ridden with no insurance before, I've ridden it to a back entrance to a garden using public roads. Quite possible they would do me for it... but I'd probably talk my way out of it.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay I don't know the OP's story but some info from my experiences..

I'm 22 now, with full car + bike licenses.

I got my provisional 6 years ago when I was 16. On that license, I accumulated 9 points:

6 for no insurance (pushing my dirt bike home from the motocross track, power crazed cop said the wheels can't touch the footpath, even though my helmet was on the bars, fuel was off, HT lead was off, kill switch off etc... They just went OTT and took the bike off me, took me to court and gave me 6 points.)

3 on my scooter for not having an L-plate on the front of it.

All technically my fault but still kinda not..?

Anyway, that was 9 points before I'd passed my test. When I did pass when I was 17, the points just carried over, no ban or anything.

At the time it was my understanding, from what I'd been told, that there was no upper limit to the points you can build up on a provisional license, they just carry over when you pass and allow insurance to bum you.

But it was something like 6 points incurred after passing your test, or within the first 2 years, meant a revoke or retest or whatever.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Fixed penalty Reply with quote

hondakawasaki wrote:
So i recieved a fixed penalty for no insurance i posted about it on here

Heh, yes, the "rode my [uninsured] bike round the back to be cleaned" story. Bit harsh, but your priorities, your look out.

I notice that you never answered my question: did you tell your new insurer about the pending conviction for driving without insurance?

hondakawasaki wrote:
Any way today i got a letter in the post saying they hadnt recieved my licence an postal order

So i phoned the ticket office to see whats going on

They guy on the phone said they got the payment and im going to get banned

What is this I don't even.

hondakawasaki wrote:
Ive had a look on the internet and it says i can get 6 points on a cbt but anymore an i will get banned

The internets are correct, ignore the phone monkey.

You can have your license revoked under the New Driver's Act via FPNs and have to start over. You don't have a license though, so there's nothing to revoke.

You can alternatively or in addition be banned from driving but that has to actually be ordered by a court.

You might still get there though, because...

hondakawasaki wrote:
So whats going to happpen will i get banned?

Dafuq would we know, your story has more holes in it than a Justin Beiber audience.

Did they receive your license or not? If not, do you have proof of delivery or at least posting?
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hondakawasaki
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the replies Thumbs Up and yes my insurance knows Thumbs Up

just to clear things up,i sent my provisional and the £200 postal order to the fixed penalty office 2 weeks ago, today i got a letter in the post saying the matter was going to be referred to court because they had not heard from me, so i phoned the fixed penalty office and asked what was going on, the guy on the phone said they had received the payment and my license and to ignore the letter i got today and said they sent my provisional license to the dvla because i was going to get a ban


thanks Smile
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think at least one of you is muddling their terminology.

License revoked: you don't have a license any more. You have to start over and do an extended re-test. This only applies to full licenses, not provisional entitlement.

Disqualification (ban): you're told that you can't drive or ride anything for some fixed period of time. This is a completely independent punishment to license endorsement or revocation and AFAIK can only be imposed by a court.

Unless... you don't by any chance have car (category B) entitlement on your license, do you? Have you passed any tests?
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