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Don't put your foot on the floor until after you've stopped - then you can use it for both jobs. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Yes you will be penalised.
When stopped, you should adopt the 'safety possition' as you ought to have been tought on CBT.
Hands on bars, bum on seat; left foot down, right foot covering, and if necessary to hold the bike against a gradient, operating the rear brake.
That is the approved possition whenever stopped. End of, no excuses. (on test)
Hendon-Shuffle or the Cardington-Clog Dance; is the approved method of changing gear at rest.
From Safety possition; right foot down; make gear change with left foot; Re-assume Safety possition.
Arriving at a junction, and waiting before pulling away then; you slow down to give way in second gear, de-clutching at last moment to stop.
Assume Safety-Poss. Effect Rear obs. Cardington-Clog for Neutral, reassuming Safety-Possition; make obs for pulling away from junction; Cardington-Clog, for first and back into safety possition; rear-obs, re-check sight lines to pull away, move off if safe to do so.... and the gap you had been hoping to jump into hasn't passed you by whilst you have been dancing for your supper
It can actually be done, and done with some measure of finesse, without impeding progress, if you have it drilled to reflex, but it is a bit clunky, and most will just go from 2nd after stop, straight to first and ride the clutch....
BUT on test, you NEED to assume Safety-Possition whenever stopped, MORE be SEEN to assume Safety, and do your rear obs AS you assume it. Make sure you let them see you move your head, and dont just duck and bob, make them clear precice movements that are distinctly a full rear observation, or a 3/4 blind spot check, and not a hammed up mirror check or sloppy life-saver.
When you do your obs on test, dont just glance into the space you think you should be looking at; LOOK into it, find something to focus on, pause long enough to say whatever it is you are looking at, I dont know "Red-Car" or "Green-Cone" or whatever it is. That way, a) you WILL have actuially done a propper observation, and seen something, b) you will have held the obs long enough for it to be noticed as such by examiner. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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I am assuming you are thinking of putting the right foot down after the high speed maneuvers? Because you won't be touching the front brake for any of the slow stuff!
I don't know if it would go against you but why would you want to do it? Finishing your braking with the front brake only will end you up in all sorts of trouble, get into the habit of keeping that rear brake on until you stop and get it in fast, not just for the tests but for the rest of your riding life  |
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I do the same, but it's down to my foot and ankle being crushed in an accident 15 years ago... luckily I passed my test years before the accident so it's never been an issue  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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If you have a bike with ABS it wont really matter if you take your right foot off the brake when you stop, but it isn't really a good habit to stop with only the front brake. If your front wheel isn't pointing straight, it may be embarrassing!
I do both. sometimes stop with right foot covering, sometimes put both feet down. Dirt I put both down just in case I lose my footing with left foot. MX boots have a flat sole pattern so it is easy to slip on stone.
The correct way I guess is left foot down and right on brake, so if you are learning may as well learn the right way.
After you have your licence no one will care. do what you like. ____________________ 2011 KTM 990 Dakar
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Yes you will be penalised.
When stopped, you should adopt the 'safety possition' as you ought to have been tought on CBT.
Hands on bars, bum on seat; left foot down, right foot covering, and if necessary to hold the bike against a gradient, operating the rear brake.
That is the approved possition whenever stopped. End of, no excuses. (on test)
Hendon-Shuffle or the Cardington-Clog Dance; is the approved method of changing gear at rest.
From Safety possition; right foot down; make gear change with left foot; Re-assume Safety possition.
Arriving at a junction, and waiting before pulling away then; you slow down to give way in second gear, de-clutching at last moment to stop.
Assume Safety-Poss. Effect Rear obs. Cardington-Clog for Neutral, reassuming Safety-Possition; make obs for pulling away from junction; Cardington-Clog, for first and back into safety possition; rear-obs, re-check sight lines to pull away, move off if safe to do so.... and the gap you had been hoping to jump into hasn't passed you by whilst you have been dancing for your supper
It can actually be done, and done with some measure of finesse, without impeding progress, if you have it drilled to reflex, but it is a bit clunky, and most will just go from 2nd after stop, straight to first and ride the clutch....
BUT on test, you NEED to assume Safety-Possition whenever stopped, MORE be SEEN to assume Safety, and do your rear obs AS you assume it. Make sure you let them see you move your head, and dont just duck and bob, make them clear precice movements that are distinctly a full rear observation, or a 3/4 blind spot check, and not a hammed up mirror check or sloppy life-saver.
When you do your obs on test, dont just glance into the space you think you should be looking at; LOOK into it, find something to focus on, pause long enough to say whatever it is you are looking at, I dont know "Red-Car" or "Green-Cone" or whatever it is. That way, a) you WILL have actuially done a propper observation, and seen something, b) you will have held the obs long enough for it to be noticed as such by examiner. |
It must look something like this when you come to a stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgg1iL18_zM
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Just got back, stopped with both right and left and the examiner didn't say a thing. No minors, and he said that I drove fine, nothing to discuss at the end. Now on to mod 2  ____________________ Suzuki Katana AY50; Peugeot Jetforce C-Tech 05+06; Honda CG125 ; Yamaha YBR125; Aprilia RS125 FP; Lexmoto XTRS 125; Aprilia RS125 Race Replica; Aprilia RS125 Extrema FP; Seat Ibiza FR 1.9 TDI |
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left foot down also means if you slip or lose it somehow the bike falls towards the curb not the oncoming lane  ____________________ Current: Honda City Fly CLR125 2003 Honda CB600F Hornet 2008 Yamaha FZ6 S2 + 1991 Kawasaki GPZ500
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And you can be on the rear brake, i always kick down into first when coming to a stop then left foot down  ____________________ 07' Honda Hornet now full powaah! My guide on performing an oil change! |
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Don't they run down back allies on foot to see you zoom past these days like they did on my test 30 years ago?  ____________________ Famous last words of Humpty Dumpty. " Stop pushing me "
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Rogerborg is in the zone this week  |
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