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Posted: 16:32 - 29 May 2013 Post subject: £60 fines and CCTV crackdown on drivers who stop in bike box |
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/60-fines-and-cctv-crackdown-on-drivers-who-stop-in-bike-boxes-at-lights-8635559.html
Drivers who stop in bicycle boxes at traffic lights face fines of £60 and three penalty points on their licences as City Hall plans a crackdown.
Boris Johnson’s cycling czar Andrew Gilligan wants Transport for London to enforce “advance stop lines” with CCTV cameras in a similar way to bus lanes.
He believes this will help to protect cyclists by guaranteeing them a head-start on other traffic and will indicate to drivers the need to show cyclists greater “respect”.
Mr Gilligan said TfL was “pretty close” to securing a change in the law to decriminalise the offences — meaning it could take responsibility from the Met for enforcement. The purpose of ASLs and mandatory lanes is to give cyclists protected space,” Mr Gilligan told the Standard.
“We know how many cars go into advance stop boxes — probably more than 50 per cent of the time. Maybe they don’t known they are meant to stay out of them.
“At present, you have to have a police officer standing at the junction or in a police car. What we can do is stick a camera up and do automatic enforcement. That will sort out the problem.”
The plan to enforce bike lanes — with fines of £30 for drivers entering them — and ASLs is at the top of a list of TfL’s “legislative wants” that would remove often obscure rules that Mr Gilligan believes prevent TfL from making roads safer for cyclists. TfL is to ask the Department for Transport to pass a “commencement order” to allow it to penalise drivers who breach ASLs and mandatory cycle lanes, which are marked with a solid white border.
But this could also turn into a huge moneyspinner for TfL. It already issues about 20,000 fines a year to motorists who drive in bus lanes, and 140,000 a year for “moving traffic offences” such as stopping in yellow boxes in the centre of junctions.
Mr Gilligan, who denied reports that his £913 million cycling budget was at risk from expected cuts in TfL’s government grant, said: “We think if we enforce mandatory cycle lanes and ASLs, there will be much more compliance. Compliance with bus lanes has gone up dramatically.
“People avoid them even when they don’t have to. We want to do exactly the same [with cycle lanes].”
Cycling campaigner Jenny Jones, a Green member of the London Assembly, said: “Rather than posting a police officer at every traffic light, it would seem sensible to treat ASLs in the same way as we treat yellow boxes or bus lanes, so that we can use cameras to enforce this safety measure.”
Lawyer Kevin O’Sulivan, who represents cyclists injured in road collisions, said: “If this fining of motorists for breaching ASLs and cycle lanes goes ahead, it will mean that motorists are thinking about the presence of cyclists generally, which will be another step forward for cycle safety.” ____________________ Current: Honda 2015 MSX125.
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 16:40 - 29 May 2013 Post subject: |
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One more reason for me to continue my long-standing boycott of Greater London in its entirety.
Seriously, I have two friends who went to that London to find work and next time I saw them had (volountarily) had their todgers cut off.
The whole place is fucked up and the sooner it's done away with, the better. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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What's the punishment (if caught) of riding without a numberplate again?
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Posted: 16:47 - 29 May 2013 Post subject: |
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@ London. |
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Posted: 16:55 - 29 May 2013 Post subject: |
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Cyclists routinely do NOT use them in London. If they haven't bimbled halfway into the junction before the lights have changed, then most likely they have already ridden across at red anyway.
Cars should never enter, even before I became indoctrinated to the way of the Motorcyclist, being a previous hater (yes really), I would never use bus lanes or cycle safe zones (or whatever they are calling them now). My wife was out in London with a heavily pregnant colleague and has had to avoid cycles and vans at CROSSINGS. ____________________ Currently: Yamaha DT 125 LC2,Repsol Fireblade, and Bumblebee MSX 125 |
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Posted: 16:58 - 29 May 2013 Post subject: |
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They would make more money from fining the cyclists £60 a time for running the lights than they would ticketing drivers who encroach the ASL. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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That's stupid. Cyclists are slow - if they move to the front they will hold up huge amounts of traffic as they take off from the green light (assuming they don't just jump the red ).
Surely it would be better to just keep them to the side of the road or, bright idea, build better cycleways like they have in Berlin?
Also, hooray for more big brother as yet more cameras are installed with the express purpose of punishing us for minor misdemeanours. Society is becoming more and more rigid and streamlined, go with the flow, do what others do, say what others say and wear what others wear or face the consequences of being different! ____________________ I'm autistic. That means I'm smarter than you. |
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If Andrew Gilligan wants to turn it in to a traffic light Grand Prix, then he should also make it law that taking out large volumes of cyclists in a fashion too dissimilar to this is acceptable.
Miserable prick.
"lets make a law to protect the hoards of rampaging bastards who do anything BUT follow the law"
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Benno wrote: | That's stupid. Cyclists are slow - if they move to the front they will hold up huge amounts of traffic as they take off from the green light (assuming they don't just jump the red ).
Surely it would be better to just keep them to the side of the road or, bright idea, build better cycleways like they have in Berlin?
Also, hooray for more big brother as yet more cameras are installed with the express purpose of punishing us for minor misdemeanours. Society is becoming more and more rigid and streamlined, go with the flow, do what others do, say what others say and wear what others wear or face the consequences of being different! |
Bit of a generalisation. When I cycle I am far quicker to set off from the lights than most cars and motorbikes unless they are eager to go. Being in the gutter next to cars is a danger for cyclists so I do think the boxes are necessary. It allows them to bunch up at the front before spreading out along the cycle lane when traffic gets moving again. Although there needs to be a crackdown on red light breakers, there are far too many. |
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Posted: 18:04 - 29 May 2013 Post subject: |
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Fuck's sake, just let them ride through the bloody reds, give them absolute priority at all junctions, and be done with it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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danceanthems wrote: | As a life long resident of our fine capital city I can honestly say that even after 21 years of driving/riding around it is more of a nightmare now than it ever has been. Without wanting to sound like an old fucker - when I was a boy it was quite simple : keep up & don't get knocked off. However with the advent of the CC that suddenly spawned 10,000,000 scooter riders and the huge number of lunatic cyclists, the roads being a wash with paint for bus lanes, cycle lanes, multiple stop lines, boxes, Olympic lanes, you name it - what a horror... hate it all. |
I find it different. Since bikes were allowed in the bus lanes I've found it very much easier and safer to get about the city. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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treeno wrote: | Benno wrote: | That's stupid. Cyclists are slow - if they move to the front they will hold up huge amounts of traffic as they take off from the green light (assuming they don't just jump the red ).
Surely it would be better to just keep them to the side of the road or, bright idea, build better cycleways like they have in Berlin?
Also, hooray for more big brother as yet more cameras are installed with the express purpose of punishing us for minor misdemeanours. Society is becoming more and more rigid and streamlined, go with the flow, do what others do, say what others say and wear what others wear or face the consequences of being different! |
Bit of a generalisation. When I cycle I am far quicker to set off from the lights than most cars and motorbikes unless they are eager to go. Being in the gutter next to cars is a danger for cyclists so I do think the boxes are necessary. It allows them to bunch up at the front before spreading out along the cycle lane when traffic gets moving again. Although there needs to be a crackdown on red light breakers, there are far too many. |
Consider me somewhat enlightened regarding cyclists. I have never driven in London. ____________________ I'm autistic. That means I'm smarter than you. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 7 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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