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PostPosted: 10:47 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: commuting bike drama Reply with quote

hello again,

sorry for number of posts today but here it goes Smile

i use my bike to commute to work on daily basis and have two bikes at the moment sv650 and sym 125.

what i need is something that is cheap to run and gives you a good mpg . i travel around 30-40 miles everyday.

my sv works out a lot more expensive as it needs refuling almost every 3-4 days where is my sym every 2 weeks or so
this is not considering the friction and cost of tyre etc


so here is what i think i should do and where i appreciate all recommendations and inputs

1.keep both bikes and insure tax and mot them . the extra bike costs me around 300 a year (sym) to insure and tax ( no mot as it is new).


2.keep one and sell other . use sv for daily communting.
uncomfortable
expenive to run on 700-1000 miles per month

3.keep one and commute to work using train. no way , i hate early london morning rush and also paying £200 per month for nothing


do you guys think it is wise to go with option 1?


if so then i think i should sell my sym and get a more reliable daily commuter which is very cheap to run.

it seems like my sym is made of cheese as it is really a poor quality. i can say this from the cheap nuts, cheap bolt which the head is worn after few time use thus god knows if in few days the wheel is going to suddenly come off or not. despite all this i bought it for 1.6k and selling it now think it is now going to fetch more than £800( almost half price in a year).


the bike has another 2 years of warranty, is it wise to keep it or just sell it and get something which is cheap to run and also good looking such as ninja 250 or yzf 125 honda ?

in the first year of having the sym, the swing arm bushing went, the front disc warped and 2 rev counters changed so far that is the bike was bloody brand new.i also had to change the chain adjuster metal as the nuts broke the thread( part of the thread came off).
also the airbox splitted in half after taking it out for the first time thus had to glued it back ( glue didn't work i had to plastic solder it )


sorry for the very long post


of course i need to keep my sv for trackdays and improve my riding skills
thanks
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sym sounds shitty,

sell it on, buy a cheapy cg or something

or commute on the sv. I commute daily on a hornet 600 which goes through fuel like nobodys business
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another option is to sell both and buy a motorcycle with better fuel economy, such as a BMW G650 or Honda NC700. I commute on the latter over a similar distance (34 miles a day). It doesn't get the mileage that my scooter or CBF125 did, but it's close enough. I have to fill it up about once a week (160-180 miles per tank of urban riding).
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't sell my lovely sv . seriously you can get around 80 90 mpg from 500 600cc engine ?
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
can't sell my lovely sv . seriously you can get around 80 90 mpg from 500 600cc engine ?


The NC700 has a 670cc and I average around 70mpg in real-world (albeit old-man-ish) riding, so yes, you can. The BMW gets similar and it's a 650cc, I believe.

You'll find neither leading the pack on a track, of course, but they will both do 80-90mph all day on the motorway, leave 125s in the dust from traffic lights and get up steep hills in a single bound, two-up.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike is a Honda CMX 250. Perfect low-end torque and mid-range for commuting (not great for motorways though), and averages 77mpg. However the CMX250 isn't the most cool or practical of bikes. Works for me, but there are certainly better options. Basically, I personally would consider a 250. CB250 might be a good choice?
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
stranger12 wrote:
can't sell my lovely sv . seriously you can get around 80 90 mpg from 500 600cc engine ?


The NC700 has a 670cc and I average around 70mpg in real-world (albeit old-man-ish) riding, so yes, you can. The BMW gets similar and it's a 650cc, I believe.

You'll find neither leading the pack on a track, of course, but they will both do 80-90mph all day on the motorway, leave 125s in the dust from traffic lights and get up steep hills in a single bound, two-up.


so guess it is not all to do with cc as my sv only does around 30-40 mpg on 650


what are the good and really cheap alternative bike to run ?

btw is the acceleration on your nc 700 same as any sport bike like sv ?

if so then really can't work out why it is so mcu cheaper to run

i thought i will have to buy 125 or 250 for it to be really cheap commuter and daily ride of 30miles whereas it looks like even 700cc can do the same
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CB500 does 60mpg, 70 at a push. Depends if I have panniers attached or not and if I ride 70mph or "70mph".
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is the yearly maintenance cost
i guess it is cheaper than sv otherwise no point in me having 2 bikes


what are the good looking cheap to run 250 and 500 out there including being cheap to buy:D rather get something around 2 k mark for 2004ish or new faired look
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sell everything, get a steel framed CBR600f.
If you are over 25, i think, and it is garaged you can get classic insurance.

For me it was £150 a year with £50 excess on a £1300 bike fully comp.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
btw is the acceleration on your nc 700 same as any sport bike like sv ?

if so then really can't work out why it is so mcu cheaper to run

i thought i will have to buy 125 or 250 for it to be really cheap commuter and daily ride of 30miles whereas it looks like even 700cc can do the same


I just noticed from your previous posts that you've had the sv650 for only a couple of weeks. It sounds like you are unhappy, in general, or you wouldn't even be asking these questions. You just need to ask yourself what you are unhappy about and what you would change. If the sv isn't comparing well to a very beat up Sym, that's not a good sign...

The NC700 and the BMW are probably outside of your price range, anyway, so the comparison is moot. Are you finding the sv uncomfortable for the commute or is it just the fuel economy? If the former, try test riding a more up-right bike. If the latter, there are many mid-range bikes with better fuel economy, but they probably won't be sports bikes either.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont get me wrong . i am totally happy with my sv but just can't see it feasible to ride to work . 30 miles per day is going to be expensive on sv in addition to it being uncomfortable
i love it but soon will change it to r6

it is rather a decision to make on whether to keep 2 bikes or 1 etc.

what is classic insurance , i have never heard of it . yes i am 25:)

is it this bike ?
https://www.hondamc2013.com/wp-content/gallery/cbr600f/mcbrf2011sba_0.jpg

does look quite good and almost like my sv
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
what is classic insurance , i have never heard of it . yes i am 25:)

is it this bike ?
https://www.hondamc2013.com/wp-content/gallery/cbr600f/mcbrf2011sba_0.jpg

does look quite good and almost like my sv


steel framed cbr600f (1996)
https://goo.gl/oxoGM

Classic insurance is like normal insurance but for bikes over 15y/o
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool and are they normally cheaper?


if it is classic, i think it normally increases the policy premium
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
what is classic insurance , i have never heard of it

stranger12 wrote:
if it is classic, i think it normally increases the policy premium


WHAT?
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
cool and are they normally cheaper?


if it is classic, i think it normally increases the policy premium

Under what logic? Part prices for the parts they more than likely don't make and the extremely high value of the really old bike
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:
stranger12 wrote:
cool and are they normally cheaper?


if it is classic, i think it normally increases the policy premium

Under what logic? Part prices for the parts they more than likely don't make and the extremely high value of the really old bike



i think if a machine or bike is classed as classic it is normally expensive to buy etc and hence the price would be hire

for instance if you want to buy a bike from 1980s or so they may cost as much if not more as a brand new sv, am i incorrect ?


also i think the insurance may take factors such as age area else into account but will defenitly look into getting something older and what my saving would be

thanks for the advise

i think i like to buy fi as opposed to carburattor as they are pain to adjust and lot of maintenance where as fi should run fine without as much maintenance
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no hope for you.

The steel framed Honda CBR600F was the best in it's class at the IOMTT.
Honda have sold more than enough to ensure there are a vast number of spares available for the foreseeable future.
Anyone who has owned one will tell you they are cheap to run, easy to maintain and very rarely have problems with them, if any at all.
I know i never had any problems with my 1995 CBR600f.
Carbs are not a problem, if you dont fuck about with them.

You just dont understand classic insurance...
https://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/motorbike-insurance/classic-motorbikes/

There is a difference between "classic" and "vintage".
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
dont get me wrong . i am totally happy with my sv but just can't see it feasible to ride to work . 30 miles per day is going to be expensive on sv in addition to it being uncomfortable
i love it but soon will change it to r6


Talk about mixed messages Laughing

Do you think a r6 will be any better for your commute Confused

Why keep the old 125?

If you really want 2 bikes then get a decent commuter bike that does good MPG.
Plenty of older bikes such as XJ 600, CB 500 etc that will do 60 mpg and still beat all but supercars off the line.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

no i dont but i need to have a sport or super sport bike

i guess r6 is classed as super sport

i love the feeling of it etc and want to do track days
i also need to get to work thus need a commuter . sv or r6 will be bloody expensive and uncomfortable to ride 30 miles in city every day(15 miles each side)
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
There is no hope for you.

The steel framed Honda CBR600F was the best in it's class at the IOMTT.
Honda have sold more than enough to ensure there are a vast number of spares available for the foreseeable future.
Anyone who has owned one will tell you they are cheap to run, easy to maintain and very rarely have problems with them, if any at all.
I know i never had any problems with my 1995 CBR600f.
Carbs are not a problem, if you dont fuck about with them.

You just dont understand classic insurance...
https://www.moneysupermarket.com/c/motorbike-insurance/classic-motorbikes/

There is a difference between "classic" and "vintage".



thank you for clarifying Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
no i dont but i need to have a sport or super sport bike

i guess r6 is classed as super sport

i love the feeling of it etc and want to do track days
i also need to get to work thus need a commuter . sv or r6 will be bloody expensive and uncomfortable to ride 30 miles in city every day(15 miles each side)


30 miles is nothing. If you are uncomfortable after 30 miles then that is not the ideal bike for you. I assume you take the SV on fun 10 miles rides so it does not get uncomfortable?
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajag wrote:
stranger12 wrote:
no i dont but i need to have a sport or super sport bike

i guess r6 is classed as super sport

i love the feeling of it etc and want to do track days
i also need to get to work thus need a commuter . sv or r6 will be bloody expensive and uncomfortable to ride 30 miles in city every day(15 miles each side)


30 miles is nothing. If you are uncomfortable after 30 miles then that is not the ideal bike for you. I assume you take the SV on
fun 10 miles rides so it does not get uncomfortable?


it is 30 miles every day

no really will take it for a ride for 100 miles or less on weekends but considering 30 miles every day it is not very friendly bike to ride
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
ajag wrote:


30 miles is nothing. If you are uncomfortable after 30 miles then that is not the ideal bike for you. I assume you take the SV on
fun 10 miles rides so it does not get uncomfortable?


it is 30 miles every day

no really will take it for a ride for 100 miles or less on weekends but considering 30 miles every day it is not very friendly bike to ride


Argh 30 miles is nothing. I ride 50 miles per day on a Daytona which at least half a dozen of my riding mates have likened to straddling a very tall fence.

This isn't a commuting drama, you're just turning it into one. The answer is simple, sell both then get either:

a) an older R6 and/or sportsbike of your choice and a CB/GS/ER/GPZ500 and commute like a granny on it

or

b) get a better sportsbike, the one you're most comfortable on and spend the difference on fuel, tyres and trackdays.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 03 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the NC700.

I have owned mine since March and I love it.
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