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PostPosted: 23:58 - 04 Jun 2013    Post subject: New £100 fines for lane hoggers Reply with quote

Is this a sign that they're taking heed of public dismay and getting round to more intelligent road policing away from the scameras of yore? Or maybe just another new revenue drive. If theyre now starting to aim at genuinely bad/dangerous driving on the road rather than simply going for the easiest target of people automatically caught a few miles above an arbitrary limit then maybe things are getting better...
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome people speed, retards lane hog.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lorries overtaking with a 0.01 MPH speed differential too, please.
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lorries overtaking with a 0.01 MPH speed differential too, please.


That really is retarded. They should confine them to one lane together at least that way theyd save fuel chugging along behind each others slipstream. Can never understand what they think they gain performing a 2 mile overtake just to sit a few metres ahead.
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden


And wear tyres out quicker weaving in and out of the wagon lane? No thanks.

If anybody has a problem with somebody doing 70 in the middle lane, then the complainer is breaking the law. End of.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden


Too much effort for most 4 wheeled couch potatoes in this country. They either don't get it or simply can't be bothered driving in a responsive way.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
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Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden


And wear tyres out quicker weaving in and out of the wagon lane? No thanks.

If anybody has a problem with somebody doing 70 in the middle lane, then the complainer is breaking the law. End of.


Fuck me if you're thinking about miniscule tyre wear when changing lanes, then you really need to get a grip, christ.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
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Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden


And wear tyres out quicker weaving in and out of the wagon lane? No thanks.

If anybody has a problem with somebody doing 70 in the middle lane, then the complainer is breaking the law. End of.


The speed is irrelevant, the idea is to return to the left when you finish overtaking so the road runs more efficiently and fluidly hence the new fine theyre imposing.
It's just good responsible driving/riding.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:

And wear tyres out quicker weaving in and out of the wagon lane? No thanks.

If anybody has a problem with somebody doing 70 in the middle lane, then the complainer is breaking the law. End of.

Bollocks. Such an arrogant attitude. And weaving?! Can you not overtake properly? Also, following the bloody rules of the road, i.e. overtake and then get back into the first lane, has nothing to do with speed.


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PostPosted: 00:33 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If you want to get past, get a bike."

The only people, in my experience, that dislike middle-lane-hogs are other middle lane hogs that want it all for themselves Wink.

I tend to just sit at 56mph or less (was at 50mph for nigh-on 500 mile trip mostly motorway the other day) these days, but in my old van you really had to keep momentum up to make progress.
If you pulled in and got stuck behind a truck, you wouldn't get speed up again; and of course you knew that you wouldn't be let out again if you did pull in.

As for the trucks - blame the limiters, not the drivers.
(Thankfully my 7.5t isn't limited and can legally do 70mph if I can afford the horrendous fuel bill!)
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think middle-lane hogging is a huge issue. If you're in the middle lane of the motorway and doing the "in practice" speed limit (i.e. 75-ish), you are almost 100% of the time going faster than the traffic in the left lane, which is normally filled with speed-limited lorries and the proverbial little old ladies who go on the M25 once every other year.

In the U.S., the "highways" work just fine with their system of slow (or exiting or entering) lane, travel lane and passing lane. If there is any moderate amount of traffic, that's what U.K. motorways settle into, as well. It's only when traffic is very thin that you see most cars in the left lane most of the time.

Now, right-lane hogging, on the other hand... No excuses. I hope the fines focus on that.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just heard this on radio. Tailgater’s are apparently getting the £100 fine too. That is something I would like to see. I can think of no reason anyone would tailgate except for being a cunt. Thumbs Up

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Middle lane hoggers and aggressive drivers who cut up other motorists or tailgate face on-the-spot fines of £100 and three points on their licence under plans expected to be unveiled.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/10099636/100-fine-for-motorists-who-hog-the-middle-lane.html
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me just correct that headline for you:

COST OF FPN BRIBE TO RISE FROM £60 TO £100 FOR MOST OFFENCES. BRIBE CAN NOW BE PAID AT THE ROADSIDE FOR MORE EFFECTIVE REVENUE RAISING SANCTIONING. IRRELEVANT BABBLE ABOUT "NEW" OFFENCES THAT ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF CARELESS OR INCONSIDERATE DRIVING THAT ALWAYS COULD HAVE BEEN SANCTIONED BUT ALMOST NEVER WERE AND AREN'T REALLY ANY MORE LIKELY TO BE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'RE VANISHINGLY UNLIKELY TO ENCOUNTER A COPPER OUT OF THE OFFICE WHO'S NOT EITHER ON THE WAY TO A SHOUT OR LURKING IN A HEDGE WITH A LASER GOING "PEW-PEW-PEW! VUN, TWO, THREE HUNDRED POUNDS, AH AH AH!"

Not as catchy, granted.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, the question is... what will this new power be used for in practice?

I expect to see very few middle lane hoggers actually done for it for the simple reason that there are hardly ever any traffic cars on the motorway.

Instead, I expect to see far more 'careless driving' fines handed out for slightly lairy starts, minor front wheel lifting infractions and generally anything that could make a pensioner mumble about the youth of today...

The line that scares me most is "Until now the crimes have largely gone unpunished because of the bureaucracy involved in taking a case to court." Which to me translates to "Until now the crimes have largely gone unpunished because of the lack of hard evidence."

Now it's down to the police 'discretion' / targets / bribe "I'm going to send you to court, unless you pay this £100 here and now"...
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Let me just correct that headline for you:

COST OF FPN BRIBE TO RISE FROM £60 TO £100 FOR MOST OFFENCES. BRIBE CAN NOW BE PAID AT THE ROADSIDE FOR MORE EFFECTIVE REVENUE RAISING SANCTIONING. IRRELEVANT BABBLE ABOUT "NEW" OFFENCES THAT ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF CARELESS OR INCONSIDERATE DRIVING THAT ALWAYS COULD HAVE BEEN SANCTIONED BUT ALMOST NEVER WERE AND AREN'T REALLY ANY MORE LIKELY TO BE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'RE VANISHINGLY UNLIKELY TO ENCOUNTER A COPPER OUT OF THE OFFICE WHO'S NOT EITHER ON THE WAY TO A SHOUT OR LURKING IN A HEDGE WITH A LASER GOING "PEW-PEW-PEW! VUN, TWO, THREE HUNDRED POUNDS, AH AH AH!"

Not as catchy, granted.


THIS!
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will never be enforced. It's too much of a grey area, what's deemed as lane hogging exactly ... Like someone said the left lane is generally lorries and very slow cars so sitting in the middle can just be argued as constant overtaking. And who would enforce it, I rarely see police on motorways tbh (granted they are obviously there) but they'd need to be all over the place constantly to monitor and fine this sort of behaviour as well as tailgating

And it's not even as easy as that, for instance if your speeding then your speeding. If your sat in the middle lane "hogging" the policeman would have to follow you for ages to determin that or if you were just overtaking lOts of cars etc, how long would they follow you ? How long is deemed lane hogging?

It will basically never be used, might see someone get fined for tailgating but not lane hogging
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disguise it as something we think we want, and we won't complain.

Just one more way to make the police judge, jury and executioner.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be fair i generally hang in the middle lane purely due to going constantly faster than the first lane and getting seriously fed up of bobbing in and out of the lane every other car, safer to just plow on past all of them
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another fairly pointless piece of legislation. There aren't enough traffic police on the road to prevent this kind of driving so there certainly isn't enough to catch and punish them.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Clutchy wrote:
Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden


And wear tyres out quicker weaving in and out of the wagon lane? No thanks.

If anybody has a problem with somebody doing 70 in the middle lane, then the complainer is breaking the law. End of.


shut up you stupid fucking cunt.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
So, the question is... what will this new power be used for in practice?

Now it's down to the police 'discretion' / targets / bribe "I'm going to send you to court, unless you pay this £100 here and now"...



For topping up the coffers thats what.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
to be fair i generally hang in the middle lane purely due to going constantly faster than the first lane and getting seriously fed up of bobbing in and out of the lane every other car, safer to just plow on past all of them


This. ^

I do 70+ in the middle lane and anyone who thinks I'm going to dive in behind trucks doing 60 so they can blast past at over the limit in the middle lane can go fuck themselves. Hey, that's what THE OVERTAKING LANE IS FOR! And I'll willingly move out of the outside lane at 80+ if I see somebody coming up behind at a higher speed.

The legislation is aimed at people doing less than 70 in the middle lane by the way. Or I'd like to see a pig explain to me how I was obstructing any other LEGAL driver if I was doing 70.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Clutchy wrote:
Wish we had road users like Germany '' Overtake quickly, pull in'' jobs a gudden


And wear tyres out quicker weaving in and out of the wagon lane? No thanks.

If anybody has a problem with somebody doing 70 in the middle lane, then the complainer is breaking the law. End of.


Wagon Lane? You just invented a new term.

Funny to see the two most likely suspects to stick two fingers up to legislation getting on the 'I'm doing 70mph so what's the problem' bandwagon.

Oh, and for those who think that all you have to do to stay safe is stick to the speed limit, rule 160 states:

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Once moving you should keep to the left, unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise.


I can't find the bit where is says 'Use whatever lane you want so long as you stay inside the limit'. Must be in the same section as the rules for the Wagon Lane.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

UrbanRacer wrote:


shut up you stupid fucking cunt.


Everybody knows I'm right about the wagon lane (a term I've used for about fifteen years).

And you're just a clueless butthurt loser.
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