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Ammoman
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Is this Stuff any Good and do You use it? Reply with quote

Was thinking about putting this Ultraseal in my Tyres. Any good or bad reviews Thumbs Up

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ultraseal-Tyre-Repair-Tire-seal-Puncturesafe-Sealant-Puncture-safe-Fix-FREE-TOOL-/181150678920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a2d6bff88
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it and didn't get a puncture so dunno how well it actually works, it didn't cause any balance issues or any others that I can recall.

A friend did test it though on a pizza bike, he pulled at least 7 nails out of the tyre's and they sealed instantly every time.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 05 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use it and I wouldn't go anywhere without it.
Also you wouldn't really know if you had, had a puncture unless you see the nail
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PostPosted: 02:38 - 06 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

your disposable income, disposed of Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My lad is a Mechanic and as part of his training did a munber of months in a tyre centre.

Always says this stuff might be great to use as a quick repair or preventative, but when it comes to replacing the tyre the mess on inside of the rim is terrible and unless the wheel is ballanced after application they can (not always) cause such a speed dependent wobble it becomes unridable.

That said, if you apply the gunk, get your wheels ballanced and dont mind not making any friends at Kwik Fit, then cool Smile
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My lad is a Mechanic and as part of his training did a munber of months in a tyre centre.

Always says this stuff might be great to use as a quick repair or preventative, but when it comes to replacing the tyre the mess on inside of the rim is terrible and unless the wheel is ballanced after application they can (not always) cause such a speed dependent wobble it becomes unridable.

That said, if you apply the gunk, get your wheels ballanced and dont mind not making any friends at Kwik Fit, then cool Smile
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change and plug your own tyres.

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PostPosted: 13:24 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a puncture repair kit. One with the sticks. It's rubbish. The repair sticks are way to big for the tool, no way at all can you remove the tool from the tyre leaving the stick in, it's hard enough getting the stick into the tool!

I'll have a look at this gunk later as an aternative, or maybe the mushroom style plugs.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

it worked for me pulled out a nail from my rear tyre last week and this stuff spat out a bit then completely sealed the hole.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

really pisses off tyre changers, depends on how far you ride, maybe just keep a can of tyre weld with you as a reactive solution?
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
My lad is a Mechanic and as part of his training did a munber of months in a tyre centre.

Always says this stuff might be great to use as a quick repair or preventative, but when it comes to replacing the tyre the mess on inside of the rim is terrible and unless the wheel is ballanced after application they can (not always) cause such a speed dependent wobble it becomes unridable.

That said, if you apply the gunk, get your wheels ballanced and dont mind not making any friends at Kwik Fit, then cool Smile


I have been using Tyre Sealant for about 15 years without issue.
Tyre centres will always diss it as they are in the business of selling and repairing tyres so I smell a wee bitty bias there. I have had the un-heated argument with the folk who I buy car tyres from who are adamant that they won't recommend sealant as they can't get patches to stick after sealant has contacted the tyre's inner lining. That is a total load of reduntant bollocks. A) Because once 'injected' with sealant the tyre won't leak air.
B) If it does leak air then the injury is beyond repair anyway.

So not being able to patch it is irrelevant.

The balance bollocks thing is not a concern either. if the CORRECT amount of sealant is injected for the correct tyre size the only wobble you may feel is when the vehicle is run a short distance to set the sealant around the inside of the tyre.

Side wall damage is irrelvant as it cannot be repaired and is relatively rare if you ride observantly.

That Latex Foam Tyre Weld is shite... It doesn't inflate the tyre to anything like near pressure and Plugs and CO2 cylinders need a nit of knowhow to work with. No use having the kit and not knowing how to use it. The bottle do not fill the tyre to a safe pressue either.

Tyre Sealant needs no maintainance once injected.
I have it in two cars and four bikes. Na Na Na Na Na!! Smile

Ultraseal and Puncturesafe are one and the same beast. I think Ultraseal is USA and Puncturesafe is UK and they fell out over something like Bucksfiz did Smile

You can buy it on ebay/ Bike shops or there may be a guy who can come round to your house/work and do it. Which is much easier than doing yourself if you are flush.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre fitters only get splattered with the stuff if they are lazy turds and put the tyre it in the bead breaker before deflating it. Then they get sealant all over their legs.

It's normally coating the inside surface of the tyre carcasse and nowhere else.

Happened to my tyre fitter guy with a tyre I forgot I'd put sealant in. I appologised but he said it was his own fault for being lazy and not deflating the tyre first.

There is absolutely no reason a patch wouldn't stick if they clean and degrease the area being patched first. The adhesive isn't a glue that sticks the patch on top of the tyre, it's a vulcanising solution that dissolves the surface of the tyre and the patch so they bond together.

TL;DR Tyre fitters will tell you not to use it because they are in the business of selling tyres. If people don't get punctures, they make less money.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Tyre fitters only get splattered with the stuff if they are lazy turds and put the tyre it in the bead breaker before deflating it. Then they get sealant all over their legs.

It's normally coating the inside surface of the tyre carcasse and nowhere else.

Happened to my tyre fitter guy with a tyre I forgot I'd put sealant in. I appologised but he said it was his own fault for being lazy and not deflating the tyre first.

There is absolutely no reason a patch wouldn't stick if they clean and degrease the area being patched first. The adhesive isn't a glue that sticks the patch on top of the tyre, it's a vulcanising solution that dissolves the surface of the tyre and the patch so they bond together.

TL;DR Tyre fitters will tell you not to use it because they are in the business of selling tyres. If people don't get punctures, they make less money.


This ^^^

Smile I'd so like you to listen to the 'reason/s' I've been given by my tyre fitterers for not using sealant.

It is water based stuff, washes out with water which doesn't harm tyres. ANd the lazy tyre fitter is exactly what it is. The rims should be cleaned before refitting a tyre anyway.
I repair tyres in the desert all the time and I always wash out the rim and tyres.

But as I said you will NOT get a (repairable) puncture if you have sealant in.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work at a major UK exhibition venue. A few of of the yearly events were related to major vehicles, all with very big wheels indeed (mostly trucks and their trailers). One company were advertising their sealant stuff. They had a massive truck tyre on an axle with massive nails in it all over, and they'd demonstrate by hammering in a very thick screwdriver and then pulling it out again. The tyre was always fully inflated. The stuff definitely works Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used it for years and had no issues with it, however saying that I haven't had time to put any in the new set of tyres I've just got yet.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolly3900 wrote:
My lad is a Mechanic and as part of his training did a munber of months in a tyre centre.

Always says this stuff might be great to use as a quick repair or preventative, but when it comes to replacing the tyre the mess on inside of the rim is terrible and unless the wheel is ballanced after application they can (not always) cause such a speed dependent wobble it becomes unridable.

That said, if you apply the gunk, get your wheels ballanced and dont mind not making any friends at Kwik Fit, then cool Smile


Your lad needs more time in the tyre bay.

It doesn't affect balance as it is a moving liquid. Its water based so easy to clean away from the site of a puncture.

On the other hand it doesn't seal small punctures as I've just discovered.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
dolly3900 wrote:
My lad is a Mechanic and as part of his training did a munber of months in a tyre centre.

Always says this stuff might be great to use as a quick repair or preventative, but when it comes to replacing the tyre the mess on inside of the rim is terrible and unless the wheel is ballanced after application they can (not always) cause such a speed dependent wobble it becomes unridable.

That said, if you apply the gunk, get your wheels ballanced and dont mind not making any friends at Kwik Fit, then cool Smile


Your lad needs more time in the tyre bay.

It doesn't affect balance as it is a moving liquid. Its water based so easy to clean away from the site of a puncture.

On the other hand it doesn't seal small punctures as I've just discovered.


From the horse's mouth:
"Will Puncturesafe seal large punctures
NO. Puncturesafe seals punctures measured by the size of the object causing the puncture, not the actual size of the puncture itself, regardless of how small a puncture may be, if the object has extensively damaged the tyre's integrity, the puncture will continue to bleed air along with an amount of the Puncturesafe product. This is a specific safety factor designed within the Puncturesafe formula. Grades A & B (High speed grade for cars, bikes, etc.) will seal punctures up to and including 6mm diameter, and Grades C & D suitable for the heavy duty plant and industrial market will seal up to and including 9mm diameter."
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 07 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
From the horse's mouth:
"Will Puncturesafe seal large punctures
NO. Puncturesafe seals punctures measured by the size of the object causing the puncture, not the actual size of the puncture itself, regardless of how small a puncture may be, if the object has extensively damaged the tyre's integrity, the puncture will continue to bleed air along with an amount of the Puncturesafe product. This is a specific safety factor designed within the Puncturesafe formula. Grades A & B (High speed grade for cars, bikes, etc.) will seal punctures up to and including 6mm diameter, and Grades C & D suitable for the heavy duty plant and industrial market will seal up to and including 9mm diameter."


But they are wrong. Pulled a tiny screw out of the tyre and it simply won't seal it as it can't get in the hole, first time its failed on me.

There is no carcass damage. i will be plugging the tyre tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 08 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Walloper wrote:
From the horse's mouth:
"Will Puncturesafe seal large punctures
NO. Puncturesafe seals punctures measured by the size of the object causing the puncture, not the actual size of the puncture itself, regardless of how small a puncture may be, if the object has extensively damaged the tyre's integrity, the puncture will continue to bleed air along with an amount of the Puncturesafe product. This is a specific safety factor designed within the Puncturesafe formula. Grades A & B (High speed grade for cars, bikes, etc.) will seal punctures up to and including 6mm diameter, and Grades C & D suitable for the heavy duty plant and industrial market will seal up to and including 9mm diameter."


But they are wrong. Pulled a tiny screw out of the tyre and it simply won't seal it as it can't get in the hole, first time its failed on me.

There is no carcass damage. i will be plugging the tyre tomorrow.


From Ultraseal (same spunk different knob)

https://www.ultraseal.com/pages/troubleshooting.html


"Tire Unable to Hold Air Pressure
Only Air Escaping
This is a indication that there is an insufficient amount of Ultraseal in the tire, or the tire may have internal damage. Re-enter the wound with a pointed object (ice pick) and move it back and forth. As it is extracted, Ultraseal will be forced out through the wound. If no Ultraseal is visible, there is not enough sealant in the tire to provide a coating and seal the puncture. Either and insufficient amount of Ultraseal was initially installed or the tire has received numerous punctures or a dangerous puncture that has depleted the Ultraseal in the tire."
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