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joezxr
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Restricting my ZX7R by throttle. Reply with quote

Im planning to restrict my ZX7R to 33bhp but im not bothering with the carb washers or any of that, im literally going to install a pin into the throttle switch assembly that doesnt let me rev past a certain point till my restrictions lifted.

Iv planned it all out but all i need to do now is roughly know what power output comes out of the rev range...

as far as i know a 33bhp motorcycle can do around 90-100mph so i was planning too do a 100mph run in 6th gear (on a private road) and see what the rev range is sat at then restrict it too that point? would this work or is my logic completley wrong?

The zx7r weighs about 230kg and is around 110bhp if this helps

could anyone that good with power outputs and ratios help me out to what RPM i need to restrict my throttle too, too be 33bhp or less!

thanks!
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't bother.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make something thats adjustable, set it around the right mark then take it to a dyno house and get a print out. Should police/insurers require proof its there if necessary.

Immediately after print out remove the stop! Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://image.sportrider.com/f/18801756+w750+st0/146_02+sportbike_peformance_dyno_charts+kawasaki_dyno.jpg

Looks to be about 3.5K.

That would be shit to ride. Laughing

:edit:

I suppose that's 3.5k at full throttle though.
For comparison I think the ER6 cut it down to like 50% on a 70hp bike. so it would probably be about a 1/3 throttle.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irezumi aka Reuben wrote:
Make something thats adjustable, set it around the right mark then take it to a dyno house and get a print out. Should police/insurers require proof its there if necessary.

Immediately after print out remove the stop! Laughing


IIRC if they are going to prosecute you, they police will dyno the bike themselves and that will be the evidence used against you. I agree that some kind of graph might help convince them at the roadside to not both persuing it though if you a lucky. In that case, might as well save the cash and just knock up a false dyno cert on excel/photoshop.....
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wanna be 100% legit click on the "47HP RESTRICTION CERTIFICATE" link in any of Paddy's sig.
It can be found in any of his posts.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=41184
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
https://image.sportrider.com/f/18801756+w750+st0/146_02+sportbike_peformance_dyno_charts+kawasaki_dyno.jpg

Looks to be about 3.5K.

That would be shit to ride. Laughing

:edit:

I suppose that's 3.5k at full throttle though.
For comparison I think the ER6 cut it down to like 50% on a 70hp bike. so it would probably be about a 1/3 throttle.


nice one! ill give it a go see what happens Smile
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
If you wanna be 100% legit click on the "47HP RESTRICTION CERTIFICATE" link in any of Paddy's sig.
It can be found in any of his posts.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=41184


https://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/seems-legit.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

joezxr wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
If you wanna be 100% legit click on the "47HP RESTRICTION CERTIFICATE" link in any of Paddy's sig.
It can be found in any of his posts.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=41184


https://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/seems-legit.jpg


It's as legit as any 'restriction certificate'
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dyno chart on my old ZX7R

https://p1.bikepics.com/2008%5C10%5C21%5Cbikepics-1456548-full.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
joezxr wrote:
https://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/seems-legit.jpg


It's as legit as any 'restriction certificate'


Indeed it is Thumbs Up

Along with...

https://super-user.co.uk/33hp.png
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:

Indeed it is Thumbs Up

Along with...

https://super-user.co.uk/33hp.png

FIFY
https://i.imgur.com/JHv2tv8.png
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know even these "proper" certificates are bollocks hence why im not after one lol

literally want to put a pin in my throttle that runs 33bhp of power, so they can take my bike dyno it and realise theyve wasted there time...

iv never been pulled in the 2 years iv been riding but just want to be safe!
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least make it so that it's removable, then you can just put it back in if they every try and dyno it.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

joezxr wrote:
iv never been pulled in the 2 years iv been riding but just want to be safe!


I have, and crashed. Nothing came of it. You can defer the roadside test if you wish to give you time to restrict, use a decent excuse such as you've had half a wank and really need to get home to finish it off.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
LOL

You honestly think the bloke doing the dyno run wont be able to tell if the throttle has been doctored?

If you restrict with the throttle you are still waaaay over the bhp limit.
Also, unless you restrict the bike's horses correctly you are uninsured, bad move....

Fuck it, I hope you get arse raped for no insurance and not riding within accordance of your licence.


You can restrict solely via the throttle. The ER6 restriction from the factory is a throttle stop.

It was nice of Kawasaki to make it a 30 second job to fit it too. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the throttle assembly is the same as the ZX10R, it also has the screw hole, which accepts the ER6 screw. I know because I was going to install it in my mates ZX10R to annoy him. I suspect it's a shared part.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
LOL

You honestly think the bloke doing the dyno run wont be able to tell if the throttle has been doctored?

If you restrict with the throttle you are still waaaay over the bhp limit.
Also, unless you restrict the bike's horses correctly you are uninsured, bad move....

Fuck it, I hope you get arse raped for no insurance and not riding within accordance of your licence.


You can restrict solely via the throttle. The ER6 restriction from the factory is a throttle stop.

It was nice of Kawasaki to make it a 30 second job to fit it too. Laughing


But aren't all models of the ER6 FI and not carb'd.....?

If that is the case, I'm not going to explain why the restriction is in the throttle.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your idea isn't as stupid as people might think. I did exactly the same thing when I was on a 33bhp license.

The method I used was a cable crimp on one of the thorttle cables at the handlebar end which stopped the throttle from opening fully. That way, if an officer stopped me at the side of the road I could say, 'feel the throttle officer' as it opened about a third.

100mph is about right for a 33bhp bike so if you're easily doing over 100 then it'll be more than 33bhp.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:


But aren't all models of the ER6 FI and not carb'd.....?

If that is the case, I'm not going to explain why the restriction is in the throttle.


I know why the ER6 is throttle restricted but that wasn't the point I was making.

I said that because you were implying that restricting via a throttle stop was in some way wrong and that "the bloke doing the dyno run would be able to tell if the throttle has been doctored" which makes no difference because that is how the bike has been restricted.
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
That way, if an officer stopped me at the side of the road I could say, 'feel the throttle officer' as it opened about a third.

+1 I was going to say the same thing. A couple of times when I was restricted on my ER-6 with a throttle stop, was enough to placate some people that it was restricted (family members, love 'em).

Without a certificate to hand (which as we all know is garbage), demonstrating a throttle stop to Mr Police Officer, is less likely to get them to actually go to the lengths of having it Dyno'ed etc.

When I checked on a power commander, it literally showed 30% open throttle measured at the Throttle Position Sensor. If the ZX7R has the little threaded hole in the throttle assembly stick the screw in from the ER6 kit. It's not going to be anywhere near 33Bhp, but you can quickly demonstrate it has a restriction on it. Perhaps enough for Mr Police Officer to shrug his shoulders and walk away.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
LOL

You honestly think the bloke doing the dyno run wont be able to tell if the throttle has been doctored?

If you restrict with the throttle you are still waaaay over the bhp limit.
Also, unless you restrict the bike's horses correctly you are uninsured, bad move....

Fuck it, I hope you get arse raped for no insurance and not riding within accordance of your licence.


The point being that the guy doing the dyno run noticing a throttle stop would allow him to gain an early indication that the bike has in fact been restricted. A throttle stop is a legitimate way of restricting, be it on a carb'd or fuel injected bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all the serious answers...

just a question where can i get hold of one of these ER6 thorttle restrictors and where about is the hole located on my throttle??

as for the people saying the dyno guy would know, well yeah of course he would know lol he will see the throttle doesnt twist as much as it should and think oh right thats how hes restricted it, as far as i know it would be illegal for him to remove anything iv installed as a restrictor i could jam a toothpick in there if i really wanted too Middle Finger

the whole point of this restrictor is to somehow get 33bhp and if thats not possible then atleast show the plods the bike doesnt rev out and is restricted..

if i really wanted too i could install my own thumb screw with a threaded insert that can easily be screwed in and stops the throttle going over 3.5k when iv been pulled
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

joezxr wrote:
just a question where can i get hold of one of these ER6 thorttle restrictors and where about is the hole located on my throttle??
Conveniently, me Thumbs Up Didn't want to push it though
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