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Thank feck they got away with it.
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You can get to almost anywhere in France for pretty cheap nowadays, if they are going to be in for a while.
Sorry to hear about it, I always think that when a rider/partner comes off I wonder who will take care of them as it's normally rider and partner has to do everything for them. ____________________ Previous: GSF600, FZR600 x2, ZXR750, XT600 Tenere, CB125, CZ125, ETZ 250, ER5, CCM R30, DRZ400, RF600x4, RF900x2, GS500, VTR1000F, 640 SMC, CB250 NIGHTHAWK, GT550x3, GPX750 TE610, CB500, X11x2, SV650, ZING 125, TL1000R,CB250 Superdream, CBR1100XX |
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Parents alive and well but a bit sore so all is good
Glad to hear they came out of it still in one piece (sort of)
Fuck the bike, they can get another one.
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They probably wern't carrying the approved breathalizers or wearing the proposed Reflective Patches on the front and rear of their gear.
You are an awfy lucky bunny not to lose your mummy and daddy sonny...
You know you will have to visit them all the time now whilst they convalesc..
GWS or Bon Voyage as they say in Frensh.
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| thegubner wrote: | Can't personally see the point in sending lids off other than for purposes of blame, it's a risk with open face lids. |
Unless it was a Justissimo in jet helmet mode, they weren't open-face helmets, they were flip-up helmets. Two different things; the latter should not come undone in a crash, and should be as safe as full-face helmets.
The weakest spot in them from what I've heard is not them coming undone, but rather impacts to the side of the head (where the hinge is) not being adequately cushioned. There are similar criticisms of Shoei and Arai full-face lids (e.g. poor SHARP ratings for side impact), and IIRC the manufacturers' responses are that impacts on the side of the head are rare because the shoulder is in the way. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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For anyone interested it was gravel on the road that took them out, right at the point on the road that le frenchy road workers decided didn't need a safety barrier and that's why they ended up slung down the embankment.
Insurance are sorting out the best way to get them home and the french docs want to transfer the old dear to an English hospital. |
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| bluezedd wrote: | SHARP would suggest that flip front helmets are not as safe as full face ones as the majority of lids on there don't stay closed for every impact.
Some like this Box helmet stayed fully locked in 36% of impacts. |
I wouldn't touch a Box helmet regardless.
Other flip-fronts stay fully locked in 97% of tested impacts - and I'm guessing there are less than 100 impacts tested, especially since they don't have an unlimited supply of test helmets. I'd guess only a single impact caused the helmets to open.
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/caberg-konda
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/schuberth-c3
Those are the two flip-fronts I own. I used to own a Justissimo, crashed in it - into a bonnet, and then head first into the ground, lots of nice scratches across the visor - and no opening.
| Quote: | Flip fronts are not as safe as a full face because they are designed to open. This is an inherent weakness. |
Everything else being equal, I agree; I also wouldn't wear a flip-front on the track, for example. But not all helmets are equal, and IMO flip-front vs full-face, for a quality flip-front, only has a small difference in safety. I believe there is more variance in helmet quality than the difference a flip-front makes.
For example, I'm particularly suspicious of helmets with tougher lining that can withstand Snell testing - the impacts they test with can mean the liner is hard enough to cause brain injury in lower-force impacts. The primary task of a helmet is to protect against the vertical component of the fall - the skull hitting flat ground from 2 meters up. I'd rather wear almost any flip-front than a US Snell-rated helmet.
And the failure still warrants finding out what went wrong with the helmet. The way you talk, you'd think only people with a death wish would wear a flip-front
I find flip-fronts fit more snugly because of how the close in around your face - the aperture doesn't need to be big enough to fit your whole head. They are also quite short, front to back, for the same reason. My lips brush against the chin bar on my C3. If the OP's father had a full frontal impact, the shortness rather than the flip-frontness may have been the liability.
And I have little interest in switching to a full-face for either of the two main types of riding I do, city commuting on scooter and sporty sport-touring on VFR. The benefits of flip-front - biggest being zero hassle leaving helmet on at petrol stations, but also having an easier time at either end of a journey when faffing around with luggage, locks etc., just leave you lid on your head - far outweigh the minor differences in safety. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Glad to hear they are okay.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 117 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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