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PostPosted: 21:44 - 18 Jun 2013    Post subject: bike chain space between sprocket and chain Reply with quote

Hi All,
While adjusting my chain, I took a picture of my chain which shows that you can almost stick a screw drive between the sprocket and the chain despite the chain having only 20 to 25 mm of play
This is the case on my 125 but not on my bigger bike

Is that normal ?
Here is a pic for your information


https://i40.tinypic.com/jueqgg.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 18 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't have it that loose. Have you checked the slack all the way across the chain by rotating the rear wheel and checking the tension again say 1/6th the way round?

Basically, check tension everywhere.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 18 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's normal when the chain/sprocket is worn Sad

Before chain wear stickers started appearing on some bikes and weighting the chain and measuring a specific number of links became De rigeur,
the old rule of thumb was that if a pencil could fit into the gap it was time for replacement.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 18 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i should say the chain had done 12k and i took 2 or think 3 links out so could get it tight again

it was streched all the way before taking links out
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 18 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
i should say the chain had done 12k and i took 2 or think 3 links out so could get it tight again

it was streched all the way before taking links out


Don't do that; that's a very bad idea.

The chain stretches such that the link length no longer matches the tooth pitch of the sprockets. Removing links does nothing to fix this. This mismatch in link length vs tooth pitch concentrates all the force of the engine on the first few teeth engaged, rather than all around the sprocket, meaning both the chain and sprocket wear at an accelerating rate, no matter how much you try to re-tension the chain.

So you'll be looking at missing teeth - far more likely on the front sprocket, you may have lost some already and not noticed it if you haven't removed the front sprocket cover - or a snapped chain before long. A chain in the process of snapping is no joke. It could seize the rear wheel leading to a high-side, it could eat through the engine block leading you to need to replace the engine, it could even slice into your leg, causing you to have a very bad day.
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PostPosted: 03:00 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
i should say the chain had done 12k and i took 2 or think 3 links out so could get it tight again

it was streched all the way before taking links out

Stretched + Removing links = Shagged.

Replace Splokets and Chain. Think of the kittens you heartless bastirt..
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, don't remove links just accommodate stretching. New chain time (and possibly sprockets).
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

so you think that the chain links are now bigger than it was before(stretched) and thus not fitting on the sprocket ?

if that is the case, i will change them all ( sprocket and chain).
why do you think that the chain will snap ? it may come off but wouldn't snap i think
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
so you think that the chain links are now bigger than it was before(stretched) and thus not fitting on the sprocket ?

Er, yes. Why do you think you needed to take links out?

A chain is a bunch of links with holes in the ends, and pins through those holes to hold the links together. "Stretching" is when those holes start to wear and get bigger. You're literally losing metal from your chain, and the bigger the holes get, the more the pins can worry at them as load comes on and off.

Stupid, messy, high maintenance archaic technology, I wish more manufacturers would fit shaft or belt drive.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
why do you think that the chain will snap ? it may come off but wouldn't snap i think


Stretched and poorly maintained chains do snap. I can guarantee a few people on this forum have had it happen to them, hence the warning to you Smile
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i shall swap it then weekend

thanks again and sorry wan't sure when a chain stretched what causes this. the explanation makes a perfect sense
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

one thing , i guess it will snap due to the wear on the pin hols becoming so big so one link is just going to brake thus come off , am it correct ?
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

12k miles, slack on the sprockets, definately time for it to be changed out, sprockets too.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mad bro, don't think of the kitten but think of your chain strain and the inevitable pain game if it snaps
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
stranger12 wrote:
so you think that the chain links are now bigger than it was before(stretched) and thus not fitting on the sprocket ?

Er, yes. Why do you think you needed to take links out?

A chain is a bunch of links with holes in the ends, and pins through those holes to hold the links together. "Stretching" is when those holes start to wear and get bigger. You're literally losing metal from your chain, and the bigger the holes get, the more the pins can worry at them as load comes on and off.

Stupid, messy, high maintenance archaic technology, I wish more manufacturers would fit shaft or belt drive.


Chains can be a hassle but I've never had any problems like wot I red on here with my chains. I have had to fit new sprockets and chain to bikes I have got 2nd hand. But they are relatively simple to maintain if the correct shit and regime is employed. Esy get 20k out a decent quality chain. Unless you start dicking with sprocket sizes suspension settings, shocks and the service lifetime expectancy can change.

You need a big wide belt to carry the same load as a 1/2 wide chain so the pulley width would have to be considered.
On those Cement Mixers the Muricans go all weak over the belts are 3"- 4" wide.
I'm not sure what Buell fit.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chain like that.. with links removed?

Check your front sprocket.. it's gonna be like claws lol Smile

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PostPosted: 07:38 - 20 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is so dangerous it's unbelievable, I'm surprised the chain hasn't already ripped your leg to shreds from snapping.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 20 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
This is so dangerous it's unbelievable, I'm surprised the chain hasn't already ripped your leg to shreds from snapping.


If properly tensioned and the like it should be fine. You should see how some people have worn the sprockets to just a ring with no teeth! Now that's dangerous!
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 20 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
Acemastr wrote:
This is so dangerous it's unbelievable, I'm surprised the chain hasn't already ripped your leg to shreds from snapping.


If properly tensioned and the like it should be fine. You should see how some people have worn the sprockets to just a ring with no teeth! Now that's dangerous!


No teeth is dangerous?

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PostPosted: 17:56 - 29 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I post back.
I did change the whole set and now all seems good and happy .
Although the new chain had some lubricant which think was oil on it but again I did apply lubricant to it

thanks all for your help
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 29 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
No teeth is dangerous?

If no teeth no go. No go no danger. Sorted. Thumbs Up Very Happy


I got from Germany to the UK at motorway speeds with no teeth on the front sprocket of my ER6f.

The teeth don't snap off such that they leave a smooth circle. There are normally little stumps left behind, and if the chain is tight enough, it will grip. Try to drive too much torque and the chain will skip though, so you need to take it gently.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 01 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
Walloper wrote:
No teeth is dangerous?

If no teeth no go. No go no danger. Sorted. Thumbs Up Very Happy


I got from Germany to the UK at motorway speeds with no teeth on the front sprocket of my ER6f.

The teeth don't snap off such that they leave a smooth circle. There are normally little stumps left behind, and if the chain is tight enough, it will grip. Try to drive too much torque and the chain will skip though, so you need to take it gently.


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PostPosted: 08:54 - 01 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
Just thought I post back.
I did change the whole set and now all seems good and happy .
Although the new chain had some lubricant which think was oil on it but again I did apply lubricant to it

thanks all for your help


Chain would have been coated in wax.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 01 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

would the chain stretch caused any power loss?
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PostPosted: 06:09 - 02 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
No, don't remove links just accommodate stretching. New chain time (and possibly sprockets).


This - Its time for a new chain and sprockets - simple as.
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