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J.M.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Snap! Reply with quote

Don't you just hate it when this happens...

https://i.imgur.com/vO0Uq6U.jpg

Removed 7 successfully. 6 removed just the nuts. 1 removed the stud with the nut firmly attached. One snapped the stud.

What would be your preferred method to get this out? I will be attempting it tomorrow evening, probably around 6 or 7pm as to give it some extra soaking time.

At least now I can give the exhaust a good going over to get it all Chromed up and new looking. Will also get it properly welded up as to get rid of my bodgetastic repair that I did.

Edit: also how would you best clean up the remaining studs? Wire brush? Tap and die set?
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats pretty shitty, really feel for you, hopefully some heat and mole grips will get em out, if not weld a nut onto it?
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

get 2 nuts on there if u can and impact wrench it out, otherwise as above said, weld a nut and get it off. Mole grips will just chew up the stud further!
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a good pair of stilsons round it rather than mole grips.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two nuts are my current favoured idea. There really isn't the room to be playing around with mole grips and I doubt their success in this scenario.

I don't have access to welding equipment, but in the worse case scenario I guess a bike shop does.

If it snaps again then I'll just drill it out and tap it. My neighbour helped us drill and tap the snapped stud on the GS500 motor. Though I would like it not to come to that.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soak the bugger with repeated applications of proper penetrating oil for a couple of days before you attempt anything. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil, more oil and even more oil... then try the 2 nuts...

Plenty of WD-40 over night and Mole Grips worked for me but it fucked up the stud pretty bad.. but they got replaced anyway Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a little known products called "freeze & release"

It has a penetrating oil + freezes the thing you are attacking.. worked great the few times i've needed it.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 10 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I have no immediate need to remove this stud. It will be at least a couple of days before I have the gaskets I need to rebuild the top end. A few more days soaking it is then.

Mr.Z, that "freeze & release" product looks too good to be true; it's making me sceptical! Is it really that effective?
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.z wrote:


It has a penetrating oil + freezes the thing you are attacking.. worked great the few times i've needed it.

Can combine with heating the area behind it - then just apply freezing to the bit you are trying to remove.

You can also get a stud remover that works like a drill chuck - the more you turn it, the tighter it grips.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, now don't shoot me down too hard...

Could you put the exhausts back on with new studs where they have come out, where they haven't could you just put a locktight nut on the stud and tighten up? Or would that not work?
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nylock nuts have nylon inserts and exhausts get pretty hot... Wink
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
You can also get a stud remover that works like a drill chuck - the more you turn it, the tighter it grips.


^^^^ this +1. Look like this:

https://www-1.toolbox.co.uk/draper-58710-10mm-stud-extractor-part-00087936M.jpg

But I'm not sure you have enough stud left sticking out for it to get a grip on.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
Out of interest, now don't shoot me down too hard...

Could you put the exhausts back on with new studs where they have come out, where they haven't could you just put a locktight nut on the stud and tighten up? Or would that not work?


The studs are supposed to stay in as there are nuts on the end. I'll be grabbing some new nuts for the 6 good studs. I'll need to grab 2 studs and nuts to replace the broken stud. I doubt I'll be going for Yamaha OEM nuts though as they're about £3-4 each!

It's not possible to reuse the broken stud as there will be no usable thread once the exhaust collets are on.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
G wrote:
You can also get a stud remover that works like a drill chuck - the more you turn it, the tighter it grips.


^^^^ this +1. Look like this:

https://www-1.toolbox.co.uk/draper-58710-10mm-stud-extractor-part-00087936M.jpg

But I'm not sure you have enough stud left sticking out for it to get a grip on.


That's a really interesting piece of kit; I've never seen one of those before!
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little concentric roller bearing type things inside that grip as you turn. It locks onto that un-threaded collar part of the stud.

They are a very handy bit of kit.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have ACF-50 then soak it in that, it worked a treat on mine. It's designed to wick into the tightest gaps and kill corrosion and is also a very good lubricant (better than WD-40)
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 11 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the steel stud in an alu thread I was alway taught to 'shock' it with boiling water whilst putting pressure on by turning

It should work if you can get the hot water to pour slowly on the head???? Might want to block the ports with a rag or a carrier bag first though
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a phone call from the small local garage at 1pm today (only took the head down this morning), saying that they had tried welding the stud to remove it but were simply unable to do it and I would have to take it to someone more specialised. Sad

https://i.imgur.com/C94Ae6S.jpg

Dropped the head back off in my dad's garage on the way home. As I turned up tonight, I was greeted with this:

https://i.imgur.com/LJrInV3.jpg

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PostPosted: 20:01 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Dad's are awesome Mr. Green


Dinnie rub it in ya c.... Laughing

Rarely speak with my Dad but I'm sure he'd help me out if I needed it haha Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should clarify, I wasn't expecting him to do anything to it. I'm just keeping my bike/bits in there whist I work on it as I have nowhere else safe (from kids or weather) to work on it. Very Happy

Tomorrow is cleaning up and grabbing 2 new studs. Then it's pretty much on to the reassembly soon!
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what did he use / do to get the blighter out. Might be useful to know!
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
So what did he use / do to get the blighter out. Might be useful to know!


A drill and some taps. Small pilot hole down the centre, gradually increasing in size until the bolt could be tapped out/knocked out.

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JM, if you can get them, use deep-domed nuts on the new studs, they help to stop the studs rotting. Thumbs Up


Interesting, thanks Very Happy

I'm seriously hoping that the head should not need to come off again within my ownership. Although I cannot guarantee how long my ownership will be; just wishful thinking that nothing else will go wrong. My bank account overdraft seriously needs a break!
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 19 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I miss something? How did the stud get from this condition:-

https://i.imgur.com/vO0Uq6U.jpg
To this condition:-

https://i.imgur.com/C94Ae6S.jpg

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