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PostPosted: 16:25 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Booked Bike Safe Reply with quote

Bike Safe are running a promotion at the moment and only charging £25. Booked mine for the first week in July, looking forward to it, I've heard its all good and fun.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a bad thing to do, I got As and Bs for my assessed ride at the end of it. They teach a bit more about progression and forward planning than standard test training.

I did mine when I was 20, and got it free as they were doing free Bike Safe days for under 21's Smile
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Doovy, good to hear someone elses impresssion, I figure never to old to learn and if I pick up just one useful bit of information to improve my riding and have some fun on the day its £25 well spent.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have mine booked for this Wednesday Smile
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a look at the Hampshire Bike safe site, extract below-

"Discounted workshops!!!

New for 2013 ALL workshops have been reduced in price to just £50

Please select the “Book Now” icon to view available course dates or call 08444 151206."

Would definitely do it for £25, but £50 is a bit too much.

Which areas are offering for £25?

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PostPosted: 17:52 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do mine in London. Romford area.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it a few weeks ago with Humberside - well worth it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

for those who've done them, what is better?

the enhanced rider scheme, which i believe is dsa.

or the bikesafe course?


theyre £30 vs £25 in my area, so the cost isn't a decider

also do they both give an equal-ish insurance discount?
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocatoro wrote:
for those who've done them, what is better?

the enhanced rider scheme, which i believe is dsa.

or the bikesafe course?


theyre £30 vs £25 in my area, so the cost isn't a decider

also do they both give an equal-ish insurance discount?


I have done BikeSafe, but you can't compare it with ERS. BikeSafe isn't a training course. They literally aren't allowed to do any training. You get information (a you-gunna-die lecture/presentation) and an assessment by a police rider, usually an urban bit in the morning and a rural bit in the afternoon. I don't even think they give grades any longer. I just got a write up, suggesting things to work on, with a smiley face (!). The grading section was left blank.

They push IAM and RoSPA on the day, with a mention of ERS. The first two are generally run by more-or-less volunteer trainers (you buy them lunch or fill their tank), with a paid test by an independent examiner (usually a police officer) on specific criteria. The tests are intensive and comprehensive, usually covering about 70-90 miles of urban, motorway and rural roads. The IAM is a pass-and-you're-done thing, while RoSPA has levels (bronze, silver and gold) and you need to retake the test (I think after three years) to maintain your rating.

ERS is a bit more open-ended, low-end/introductory and run by a professional trainer. The police didn't tell us to avoid ERS, but warned that there is an issue of conflict of interest -- you are paying the guy and he's the one assessing you and deciding whether you need to pay him more or not. They suggest agreeing on a price beforehand. It sounds like you have an agreed price, so no issue there.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

so out of the two "cheap uns", the ERS is probably the slightly better?
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have asked this a few times but do they check plates and exhausts to make sure they are legal?
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.Silvs wrote:
Have asked this a few times but do they check plates and exhausts to make sure they are legal?


You meet at a police station. The day is run by police officers. They check your bike over for road worthiness. What do you think? I don't think they care whether your plate is too small or your exhaust legal. They are checking whether your bike is safe. But did I mention they are police officers?
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep you did.

Some forums say that they didn't check theirs, others are saying they did. Did they check yours then?
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocatoro wrote:
so out of the two "cheap uns", the ERS is probably the slightly better?


I don't know. I haven't done an ERS. I tried -- I emailed two instructors in my area and never got a reply. I did BikeSafe and got a lot out of it. I'm trying to arrange a RoSPA initial assessment. That's as far as I got so far.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikesafe isn't training, it's just intends to impart some good habits and provide some advice.

It's worth doing, as it's cheap and (at least in London), the coppers doing it are half socialised. I did mine on a sunny winter's morning and ended up bombing around the surrey countryside on my todd with a pair of police outriders, which was nice!
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also includes a lunch worth 10 quid.
It saves money by doing this.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 22 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it last weekend with Thames Valley Police. They checked my documents (licence, insurance and MoT) and gave the bike a cursory once over, mostly bothered with lights and tyres. They are bikers themselves and are not bothered about dark visors or small plates (one admitted to having a small plate himself).

I have to say I found it good reinforcement of what I do, with some ideas for improvement. My assessor rated me As and Bs and said that whilst advanced training (IAM/RoSPA etc) will always be beneficial I didn't need it.

It was a good day though. The presenters were pragmatic blokes and up for a laugh. Also, my assessor was on an unmarked VFR1200 camera bike, which I now know to look out for.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I booked one for July 14th, £25 is a good price and it gives me a reason to use my bike for something other than commuting for a change.
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