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E944
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Accident involving 3 vehicles Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm reluctant to post this for obvious reasons, but I know many of you have been in similar or even more serious situations than this so know how it works.

3 weeks ago I was involved in a serious accident, in which I sustained a serious leg injury. 3 vehicles were involved. Me another bike and a car. I hit the car.

Now, tomorrow the police want me to go give my statement. With a solicitor present? My parents suspect I'm going to get charged with dangerous driving?

The other scrote on the bike is a wannabe Rossi, and I know 100% has gone into or nudged my back end.

There is no witnesses as far as we know or CCTV. How is this going to stand considering I've missed a months of work already nearly?

I'm getting myself my own solicitor if I do get charged and for compensation purposes but can only believe he has got away with it and done me over which is hard to deal with as he is so smug.

Oh and not to mention he left me at the scene of the accident, what a top bloke aye? Humans do that? If they have something to hide which he did.

Sorry for the rant just worried so any help is really appreciated! If you wish to know anymore within reason I will say if it helps me out.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

problem you will have is proving he was involved in the accident at all if there was no evidence to support it

but good luck
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're being interviewed in a police station, you're entitled to free and independent legal advice even if you've not been arrested.

If you're concerned, you can always decline to make a statement. If they do decide that your statement is vital to the investigation of an alleged offence, they can nick you and do it properly.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you seriously expect to get any sensible replies at 23:09 hrs before giving a statement? Especially with such a vague outline of the circumstances.

Post a detailed account NOW and pray that an insomniac lawyer is online.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take your solicitor, and remember that most of the evidence that they will look to use against you will be what they get from your statement.

Don't ride with nobbers.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:

Post a detailed account NOW and pray that an insomniac lawyer is online.


Christ, don't do that. If you think you're going to be stitched up, don't go. If you must go, ask for the legal advice and listen to what they tell you.
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E944
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I will go as in my mind I am 100% innocent. This scrote has changed his story twice already.

I was not riding with him, I know of him. I ride by myself all the time.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 23 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what exactly happened?
And heed advice given, speak to a solicitor before you do ANYTHING, you may well be 100% innocent but that means nowt.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This needs better explanation and a mandatory paint diagram.

Sounds like your biker mate clipped your back wheel and made you crash? So it looks like it was your fault for riding badly, when really it was his fault for hitting you?

Can't really figure it out though to be honest.

For me personally, if I were absolutely certain of my innocence I would just go with the flow of it all and just be myself. Nothing to worry about if I was actually innocent. If I ended up being screwed over by the system, I like to think I'd go 'Law Abiding Citizen' on everyone Cool . Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, it's very hard for one bike to nudge another bike from behind, and come off better than the bike in front. Steering is fundamental to staying upright, and steering is the first thing that hits anything.

Easiest way, on a bike, to make another bike crash is to brake hard in front of it then accelerate. Even easier if you're in a corner and the other bike is on the outside rear of you.

I've rubbed the rear end of my bikes against things from time to time, and been able to stay on with little difficulty. Not with the front though.

Just saying; the brief outline you've made makes it hard to see how the guy behind could be at fault.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

E944 wrote:
No I will go as in my mind I am 100% innocent


That's not how it works at all. Honestly mate, don't say a word unless you're made to.

It doesn't matter what you did or didn't, it's what you say in an interview that will hang you.

I bet the copper was dead friendly when he called to "invite" you down. Just to clear up loose ends; just to put your side of the story across; just a quick chat; etc.
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E944
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I was just turning for a left hand corner, and he was behind me and came up my inside. Felt a shunt from behind which sent me into the car head on.
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PostPosted: 05:09 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Take your solicitor, and remember that most of the evidence that they will look to use against you will be what they get from your statement.

Don't ride with nobbers.


Don't ride with nobbers is good advice.


Speak to a solicitor is better though. Smile
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

E944 wrote:
Okay, I was just turning for a left hand corner, and he was behind me and came up my inside. Felt a shunt from behind which sent me into the car head on.


I've got a suggestion that is really from far out in the left field, why don't you tell the Police this instead of an internet forum?
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you do go (people have advised you don't, and from your last post sounds like they may try and insinuate you were going too fast / riding dangerously)

so, if you do go, think, speak, think, listen, think, respond with as few words as possible, think, listen, think speak.


WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN NOW WHILE YOU CAN REMEMBER AND DON'T DEVIATE FROM WHAT YOU'VE WRITTEN AS YOUR MEMORY OF THE EVENT
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

E944 wrote:
I'm getting myself my own solicitor if I do get charged

Bass ackwards. Once you've been charged, questioning has to stop. If they charge you, it'll be because you've already incriminated yourself.

So bring a solicitor, or absolutely insist on speaking to the duty solicitor before interview.


E944 wrote:
No I will go as in my mind I am 100% innocent.

You're not there to prove your innocence, you're there to admit your guilt.

I want you to read this very, very carefully. I'll bold the significant bits.

You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

There are two ways to avoid being caught out by this:

#1 Give a full and detailed account that's absolutely exculpatory and completely consistent every time that you tell it.

#2 Don't be questioned.


E944 wrote:
This scrote has changed his story twice already.

And how would you know that? Either you're lying about knowing it as a fact, or you're lying that you merely know "of" him. Which lie is it?

See your problem? You're not smart enough to game this. That is not an insult, I'm not smart enough either.

If you really insist on attending despite being advised not to, then prepare a written statement documenting whatever story you want to tell in detail (but just the plain facts), then answer every question by referring to or reading out that section of your statement, word for word. Write it down now and carry it with you, on the chance that they decide to stop polishing their backsides and come out and arrest you if you don't attend voluntarily.

Once you've picked your story, do not change it, or deviate from the written version.

Best of luck.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's well known, especially from Motogp and the such, that the person that HITS your back wheel is nigh on 100% going to come off, unless it was at really low speeds, or he is the luckiest bloke alive(and stupidest)

Write EVERYTHING down, a visual memory of your notes makes life a lot easier, take them with you, scrutinise everything yourself and see what come back they have on EVERY point you write down, because they will find every single come back and then some.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
E944 wrote:
I'm getting myself my own solicitor if I do get charged

Bass ackwards. Once you've been charged, questioning has to stop. If they charge you, it'll be because you've already incriminated yourself.

So bring a solicitor, or absolutely insist on speaking to the duty solicitor before interview.


E944 wrote:
No I will go as in my mind I am 100% innocent.

You're not there to prove your innocence, you're there to admit your guilt.

I want you to read this very, very carefully. I'll bold the significant bits.

You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

There are two ways to avoid being caught out by this:

#1 Give a full and detailed account that's absolutely exculpatory and completely consistent every time that you tell it.

#2 Don't be questioned.


E944 wrote:
This scrote has changed his story twice already.

And how would you know that? Either you're lying about knowing it as a fact, or you're lying that you merely know "of" him. Which lie is it?

See your problem? You're not smart enough to game this. That is not an insult, I'm not smart enough either.

If you really insist on attending despite being advised not to, then prepare a written statement documenting whatever story you want to tell in detail (but just the plain facts), then answer every question by referring to or reading out that section of your statement, word for word. Write it down now and carry it with you, on the chance that they decide to stop polishing their backsides and come out and arrest you if you don't attend voluntarily.

Once you've picked your story, do not change it, or deviate from the written version.

Best of luck.


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PostPosted: 09:30 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trying to stir, but if you were hit from behind, would you not have some rubber/paint transfer? Could an expert look at your bike and provide evidence to support the fact?

Either way, scum bag for leaving you there. Will he only get prosecuted for leaving the scene of a crime if he's proved to be involved?
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
It's well known, especially from Motogp and the such, that the person that HITS your back wheel is nigh on 100% going to come off, unless it was at really low speeds, or he is the luckiest bloke alive(and stupidest)


Well known down the pub maybe.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you be 100% sure he did 1 of 2 things?

Nudging and hitting somebody are quite different, how can you be 100% sure that he did one or the other?
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be arrested if you do not go to be interviewed?

Don't give them anything, they want to prosecute you so be careful. What Roger says about preparing a written statement sounds like excellent advice.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

E944 wrote:
No I will go as in my mind I am 100% innocent. This scrote has changed his story twice already.

I was not riding with him, I know of him. I ride by myself all the time.


Don't do it!

This is in America, and while the laws are not exactly the same the principle is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Unless you are a clear victim or witness you should nor talk to the police, their job is to convict you... not to help you.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies firstly.

I was NOT riding with him I cannot stress this enough. This fool really thinks he is the don of bikes. I'm in two minds you all seem to know what your talking about.

My statement is already written out and ready. I also already planned to read from my statement when asked questions as its 100% the truth of the events that happened that day.

An expert to examine the bike could be a possibility yes.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 24 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

E944 wrote:
Thanks for all the replies firstly.

I was NOT riding with him I cannot stress this enough. This fool really thinks he is the don of bikes. I'm in two minds you all seem to know what your talking about.

My statement is already written out and ready. I also already planned to read from my statement when asked questions as its 100% the truth of the events that happened that day.

An expert to examine the bike could be a possibility yes.

Thanks.


Watch the video I posted before you do it. It seems none of us here can persuade you - maybe that will. No good will come of talking to them.
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