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gmc38609
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: At what speed would you do this Reply with quote

Your on a dual carriageway its a sunny day with not that much traffic.
Your approaching a roundabout that has no traffic on it.

How fast would you go straight on?
How fast would you turn right?

Got my full licence recently I have a Honda Hornet and have about a 1000 miles on it.

I know I am slow at corners still, but trying to gauge how far off the mark I am of being a regular rider

My answers is 40 mph and 30 mph turning is that still slow it feels it lol
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wouldnt aim too much to 'increase your speed' as such, speed will come with riding practice naturally, if you aim purely for increasing the speed you're likely to miss something or take attention off something else and come a cropper Confused

As a rule of thumb i'd say never expect to run onto a roundabout - always be expecting to slow and stop, if it remains clear at each progressive stage of approach, still continue reducing speed but when almost entering roundabout make a last second left and right evaluation of the 2 nearest a-joining roads before running-on in case somethings shot out unexpectedly.

Again - speed is entirely dependant on roundabout size and road quality so can't really say in my opinion.

Also being fast in corners doesn't nescessarily mean you will come out of them equally as fast if speed was to be a goal - often slowing and positioning well into a corner will allow a much more fluent acceleration out of it and onwards.


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PostPosted: 19:24 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you mis-look and plow onto a roundabout with somebody on it already, you're getting creamed my friend.

Avoid if possible.

That and you'll make the poor fuck who kills you sweat like Jill Dando trying to get her key in the door.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick enough to be able to stop in the distance seen to be clear. Wink

I'll get my slippers.

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PostPosted: 19:36 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

power up to the the roundabout, hold in clutch drop down 2 gears release clutch and roll on the power at the same time, if you dont fuck it up you will back your bike in ready for the corner this will make your rear wheel step out and let the drift commence.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

At a speed that allows me enough time to *react to.... whatever. Condition of road surface...view of the other approach roads..that kind of thing.

Size of roundabout has a bearing on speed.


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You're recently licenced.... Thinking No need to rush. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: At what speed would you do this Reply with quote

The answer is "if you have to ask, then slower" Wink.

Without specifying a precise roundabout, the question is irrelevant.

Some roundabouts you can go straight on at 190mph because you can straight line them, others you'll need to slow to 20mph to stay on the bike.

It's worth having a look at some 'advanced riding' stuff, which goes in to how to read the road ahead and set a safe speed.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you need to shave that extra ½ second off of your trip? Do you need to catch your girlfriend being DP'd by your best mate and the postman?

Relax, enjoy the ride. If you're grinning, you're winning.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest that if you want to make roundabouts quicker, you need to learn at what point you need to make the final decision to stop, either because there is traffic you have to give way to or because you can't see if there is.

That will involve becoming familiar with how your bike behaves under braking at different speeds and on different surfaces.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say as well the last thing you want to be doing on many roundabouts themselves is increasing speed really, especially if theyre raised or centrally blocked the last thing you want is to be coming around for the 3rd exit at speed with a car you couldnt see the far side of the roundabout coming out of the opposite exit to the one you joined from, recipe for a bump Thumbs Down As rogerborg said - 2 seconds shaved off a journey, really not worth the risks involved Confused

A corner yes, over time and experience you may find ways to go faster and steadier, but a corner doesn't have multiple parallel corners with other things cornering and attempting to get off a side road via you're corner which is the essence of a roundabout. Recipe for disaster at speed really.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
and come acropper Confused



In my mind, becoming " a cropper" has always been separate words, as in, cropper, is what you become.

However, for the thread, whatever speed I deem the roundabout to be safe for. Be that 50mph or 15mph, it'll come with experience. You need to learn how your bike will behave.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typo, my bad Hurt
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roundabouts are the top locations for trucks to dump diesel. Worth bearing this in mind Wink
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not really put that question right.
I am a new rider but I am also safe and cautious I have my name down for BikeSafe and will be doing a ERS when I get back from my holiday.
I practise when out riding on being smooth not fast however for some reason though when a safe opportunity arises I feel myself wanting to take a bend like Valentino Rossi Smile
I never do and feel maybe I am being to careful, but reading your replies I am riding at what feels safe with my experience and will stay that way.
I am the same with filtering I feel at times my mentality is I am still driving a car when I am waiting in traffic and other bikes speed past me between it.
I now look up the line of cars and make a decision whether to filter or not If I stay put and a bike passes me I feel like I am being to careful again and push myself to do it. but now I am gonna stick with my gut instinct and so be it. After all its still early days for me
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmc38609 wrote:
lots of stuff


I, personally, can't see an issue with being to careful. Especially as a new rider. Take your time, enjoy it and the speed will come naturally.

James - I've never set the world alight with the speeds I travel at...
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say the main thing to try get out of your thinking is

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how far off the mark I am of being a regular rider


There is no such thing - we're all learning and improving endlessly anyone who claims to be a great rider is talking shit - you can be an experienced rider, but experience doesn't guarantee you're a good rider and theres no end to further experiene you can gain as you encounter new situations everyday you ride.

Its natural to feel an urge to take bends like that i'd say i think people would be lying if they said they never had, but the difference is between those that do - and inevitably end up in a hedge sooner or later, and those that hold back and continue thinking first.

And Bikesafe/ERS are very good you will find they teach you a lot - if you are after 'speed' those are the ways you will get it to be honest, not by trying to push yourself to get your knee down like a gibbon more and more each week on every bend [not to say that was you're intentions Razz ]
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as the advanced riding, a trackday might be in order - get to explore your limits in a safe environment.

Me; at one point I went faster and faster around a roundabout until I fell off. Good lesson in how many signs a bike actually gives you, which with hindsight were really obvious, but I ignored.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
sabian92 wrote:
If you mis-look and plow onto a roundabout with somebody on it already, you're getting creamed my friend.

Avoid if possible.

That and you'll make the poor fuck who kills you sweat like Jill Dando trying to get her key in the door.

Now I feel really guilty for laughing at that...




can't stop.


Don't worry, I nicked it off another poster on here Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: At what speed would you do this Reply with quote

gmc38609 wrote:
Your on a dual carriageway its a sunny day with not that much traffic.
Your approaching a roundabout that has no traffic on it.

How fast would you go straight on?
How fast would you turn right?

Got my full licence recently I have a Honda Hornet and have about a 1000 miles on it.

I know I am slow at corners still, but trying to gauge how far off the mark I am of being a regular rider

My answers is 40 mph and 30 mph turning is that still slow it feels it lol


What do you think would happen if someone coming the other way was thinking the same thing as you?
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go ask Mike in new bikers. By the time you've read his reply there will be snow on the ground and you'll be walking to work.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I now look up the line of cars and make a decision whether to filter or not If I stay put and a bike passes me I feel like I am being to careful again and push myself to do it.


I don't always filter even when theres a chance to, sometimes if i'm not in a rush i will just sit a few or even a small queue back.

Its nothing to be ashamed of - just because you ride a bike doesn't mean you are obliged to filter at every given chance.

To ride a bike properly you need to be thinking clearly and focusing, if pushing yourself to filter/speed onto roundabouts and x-amount of other similar topics detracts from that you aren't biking, you're just taking risks. If you aren't comfortabe and don't feel safe to do something don't do it, theres normally a damn good reason you're instrincts are telling you that.

Just because john smiths goes hooning it up the outside past you doesn't mean you or he is safe to do so, look after yourself and enjoy riding yourself - its your life on the line at the end of the day.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 12 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally depends on the roundabout! I know one near me that can be taken at 110mph. And another that can only be done at about 50.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 12 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually fast enough to get knee down on left going out and knee down on right when turning right, with the added bonus of a left kd if its a bit of a tight exit.

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PostPosted: 17:15 - 12 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All situation dependant, but in my experience generally the larger and bigger with more lanes roundabouts can be taken more quickly if you are talking about a perfectly symmetrical design with 4exits 90degrees apart.

The smaller roundabouts and ones that have off set exits or 2 exits very close together almost like a fork, generally cannot be taken too quickly.

The most important thing I would say is that small roundabouts, and mini roundabouts in busy built up areas and in 30mph in residential estates etc, must normally be taken very cautiously as you often see people not really knowing what they are doing, or giving way to the right or needlessly hesitating on small tighter roundabouts. Anything in town along these lines I would take slowly and try to make sure you are seen and heard, as there are so many roundabout incidents in town centres all the time.

Be wary of queuing traffic on the approach to roundabouts, we have on occasion almost all gone steaming into the back of another vehicle that we expected to move or was looking a car ahead and missed the person in front remaining stationary when their path was clear etc.
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